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Interesting analogy on X - identifying as black

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ItsCoolForCats · 15/12/2025 12:07

From Diana Alastair:

Imagine a scenario in which large numbers of white people start saying that they “feel black,” and that because of this feeling, and their enjoyment of stereotypically “black behavior,” they are now not just black themselves, but the most marginalized and vulnerable type of black person.

Imagine them insisting that they should be the main focus of all activism meant to help PoC. Imagine them having operations to darken their skin and mimic stereotypically black features. Imagine them walking around in blackface, and saying it’s the exact same thing as actually being black.

Imagine them being honored as black citizens by the White House, being summoned to talk to the President about issues facing the black community, being supported by celebrities, and having laws passed to make white people who identify as black a protected class.

Imagine these people demanding membership in black organizations, insisting that they receive a share of the reparations that CA is about to pay, and demanding they be given awards created specifically to honor black achievement. Then imagine them getting their way.

Now imagine mobs of them showing up to black events that don’t include them, carrying threatening signs and air horns to drown out any speakers with noise. Imagine them coming up with slurs for any black person who doesn’t accept that white people are black if they say they are.

Imagine them calling for the rape, torture, and mass murder of any black person who disagrees with them. Imagine them getting black people doxxed, harassed, assaulted, fired from their jobs, and investigated by the police for saying that you have to be born black to be black.

Now imagine the government supporting their demands.

That’s exactly the position that women are in right now, with a few extras, like being locked in cells with dangerous men, the sexual predation of lesbians via coercion, and the increased risk of sexual assault in what used to be female-only spaces. Our oppressors are now claiming not only the right to oppress us in whole new ways, but the right to erase our identities as women and rewrite the meaning of womanhood in ways that suit - and include - them.

If you wouldn’t support this kind of behavior towards black people, you have no business supporting this kind of behavior towards women.

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Imagine a scenario in which large numbers of white people start saying that they “feel black,” and that because of this feeling, and their enjoyment of stereotypically “black behavior,” they are now not just black themselves, but the most marginalized...

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JamieCannister · 19/12/2025 12:31

Spacek · 18/12/2025 06:59

What??

Some people are 100% black (due to ancestry) and some are 100% white. If you take a black woman and a white woman they are basically the same, other than skin colour. A white woman who has painted her skin black is an infinitely closer approximation of a black woman than a man who wear women's clothes (or take hormones and has surgery) is an approximation of a woman.

Sex is binary. Race is a genuine spectrum (if indeed it truly exists at all).

Then you have the following scenario. A "white" girl has frizzy hair and tans easily, and has certain facial features more associated with black people than white. Everyone sees her as white for the first few years of her life.

Her parents die and she goes to live with her mix-raced grandmother who was brought up immersed in black culturre. She lives in a black area, surrounded by black culture. She starts being perceived as mixed-race or even "black" (due to the racist way that the moment someone is not "pure white" many people put them in the box marked "black").

If she were to claim to "identify" as black I would respect her black identity infinitely more than I would respect the transwoman identity of someone who is 0% woman.

TempestTost · 19/12/2025 18:23

Wetoldyousaurus · 16/12/2025 02:36

I recently read about the author Thomas King, who genuinely believed himself to be American Indian. It became a major feature of his writing. Genetic testing showed he was mistaken. He has duly returned awards meant for indigenous Indian people. In stark contrast, Caster Semenya retains his medals and records despite conclusive testing showing him to be genetically male.

I don’t understand how it is possible that these cases of ‘trans’ racialism, and historic examples of blackface don’t wake people up to the utter farce that is TRA and the misogyny inherent in drag.

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/25/canadian-author-thomas-king-not-indigenous-cherokee-inconvenient-indian

A bit OT, but people knew for years that TK was a bullshitter. His story made no sense and many people asked him about it. He worked in a field where following up would have been simple and he carefully chose not to. And like a lot of fake Cherokee, he made his career in Canada. His job in academia was largely dependent on his first nations identification. As was his literary career.

If you ever heard him interviewed, he was also fake in person, going on about himself as an :Indian" and what they were like as a people. This from a guy who by his own admission was raised by a white mum in a white family in a white town. the idea that he was fn came from a single family photo and a claim that one family member was in fact illegitimate. He had no personal connection to any indigenous culture.

Wetoldyousaurus · 19/12/2025 18:35

Interesting @TempestTost about TK. He must have talked a good talk as he was highly regarded in academia and literary scenes for so long. I’ve never read his books.

It’s the hand wringing about him that gets me. Why is what TK did so beyond the pale yet men doing this to women (when it’s materially much worse because of the safety in sport, safeguarding and sexual harassment/assault issues), lauded as heroic? It’s pure, unadulterated misogyny and when put in this context it takes extreme wilful ignorance not to see that. The liberal media who do this are despicable with this.

RavelsDancer · 19/12/2025 19:08

Judith Butler is a self-hating woman, always has been. And someone who minimized the rapes of October 7. She's basically become an old, white male.

MarieDeGournay · 19/12/2025 19:39

I remember when I was a teenager 'making yourself seem interesting' was a big thing - changing your name to something more exotic, acquiring a foreign grandparent, saying that you had some very very unusual, invisible, medical condition, claiming that a celebrity was a distant cousin...

We kept to fantasies that were plausible and could not be disproven. We never claimed that we were boys, or were not white.
We may have been silly teenagers, but we we weren't complete eejits🙄

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