Mixed sex changing enables sexual predators to target girls and women

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

The Telegraph reporting what we all know. That the police data on mixed sex changing shows "at least 16 rapes, 80 sexual assaults and 65 acts of voyeurism were committed in sports centres in 2023, equating to three offences a week"

That's just the incidents in sports centres so presumably doesn't include all the stores, workplaces etc where women have mixed sex changing imposed on them.

Well done the Women's Rights Network for collating this. Worth noting that 10 police forces refused to supply data. Wonder why that might be?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/09/sexual-predators-target-girls-mixed-changing-rooms-wrn-uk/

archive link:

https://archive.ph/uHFKs

What about the many families who don’t want their sons using the male changing, for them they prefer mixed sex. For us it’s suits as dsd has high needs but the mixed family/disabled cabins are always in use and families moan if we use them because they need the changing table whereas the 2-3 person mixed changing they now how is fine for us, she ambulatory but needs dressing

So what solution would you propose for women (and men) who want their single-sex privacy and families such as yours?

The obvious solution is a mixed sex "changing village", with large cubicles for families and smaller one's for individuals, with rooms off it for women and men separately.

Ignoring the rape minimising comments.
We're in this mess because Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence and other trans activist groups were allowed to impose their toxic beliefs that safeguarding is unimportant and that single sex spaces are "exclusionary, regressive and hateful"
They were listened to and the ages old systems of single sex changing rooms, showers, toilets for girls and women etc were removed (without consultation with women of course) - just imposed from above.
This allowed every type of man - the decent and the predatory ones - to have easy access to undressing girls and women. Hence the data. For those excited that there were only 13 rapes in 2023 - remember 10 police forces refused to share their data for... reasons. So this is just the tip of an appalling iceberg.

Also worth noting that the removal of single sex spaces was done without any "risk assessments". This highlights the utter hypocrisy of this government as they desperately try to meddle with the clarity of the SC judgment because they daren't say no to the extreme transactivists dominating their party.

safeguarding is unimportant

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why so many people have not just accepted this but run with it. Especially women with children and grandchildren. It really is utterly astounding.

I think in a lot of cases it does make people feel uneasy but what can they do? If they need to use the facility they put up with it.

Many people also don't think things like this could actually happen where they live, or at least not to them. A local man in a high-profile business near me (not a leisure centre) has just been found guilty of secretly filming girls in toilets and changing areas. This person is known to everyone in my town. If you'd told me he was doing that, I'd never have believed you in a million years. But it happened.

I think a lot of people feel safer in the Changing villages because the lockable doors give a sense of security the open plan rooms or just curtains.

Until a head appears over or under the divider because they're never properly floor to ceiling.

Whilst this comes as a surprise to none of us here, it really annoys me that we have to defend our single sex spaces on the basis of sexual predators or religious preferences or some other compelling discrete reason.

The plain fact of the matter is that people like privacy when naked or undertaking personal care, except with those whom they know well and choose to be vulnerable too.

I just don’t want men changing near me, and I do not wish that to be imposed upon me. In their defence, my limited experience suggests that most men feel the same. They’re ok about changing with other men but they don’t want women they don’t know to be around them when they do it.

There’s a predatory aspect to the behaviour of many men, even when with other men, which means that for me, the company of other women, to the exclusion of men, is a welcome respite.

it really annoys me that we have to defend our single sex spaces on the basis of sexual predators or religious preferences or some other compelling discrete reason

This.

I understand the problem you describe @gogomomo2 . Do you have a suggestion that could work for your DSD and also maintain the privacy of women and girls? Fortunately, I don’t have to worry about this now, but I would worry about young boys in men’s changing rooms, whatever their needs or if they had no particular needs.

My local sports centre has one of these. They have staff mopping the floors constantly. Not because the floors need mopping, but without constant staff presence there have been issues with photos being taken under doors and I personally encountered a naked man strolling around. Just because he could. I pity the staff in these places as they are constantly on alert to pervy behaviour.

You have seen the figures about sex crimes in hospital settings haven't you?

Many of these have the same dynamics...

Given that the Sarah Everard inquiry said that we have no idea about the location of sexual assaults in public places because the police don’t collate data like that, what should we do about it? Dedicate more resources so it’s not up to WRN to do the legwork for what is commonsense.

The Sarah Everard inquiry also said we need to look at designing safer public spaces for women to prevent assaults.
What are the conditions needed for an assault? Privacy? Legitimate accessibility for a man? A woman cornered in a vulnerable situation?

Perhaps look at the components needed for an assault and try and reduce them. Also commonsense.

Doubt it.

The Sarah Everard inquiry also said we need to look at designing safer public spaces for women to prevent assaults.

Sometimes when I'm in a public space or situation, I think about how I would design it better to be safer for women (and people who are vulnerable for some reason). I struggle because I really do not like the prevalence of CCTV, but I understand that it can make certain locations safer.

(I know there can't be CCTV in changing rooms and toilets though)

Assuming families want to change together, of course. Not everyone does. And does a teenage girl want to change in the same cubicle as her father or brother?

These things are under reported so it's likely a lot more than that

So in that posters view 16 rapes is legitimate collateral damage to make some men feel happy and validated in their delusion that they are women? Got it 🙄🙄🙄🙄

So important.
We need to point out the reality of what is happening. Individuals and organisations removing single sex spaces where women and girls undress are promoting voyeurism and indecent exposure. They're not told this often enough which allows the combination of predators and useful idiots to smugly continue in their efforts to remove safeguarding measures.
Women shouldn't have to clarify why our safety matters. They need to be the ones explaining why they're openly decriminalising sex crimes. And sex crimes that evidence shows are gateway crimes to escalating sex offences.

One could say that about every single rape in the UK. What's your point? Does one have to have a plan to stop all 70,000 or do you mean there's a minimum below which we needn't concern ourselves? How many is that?

Dunno. What are you doing? Personally I suggest we start by NOT increasing the existing risks by giving men easier access to female changing rooms. What do you think?

It's good that the issue is getting some publicity. Many people seem to be in favour of mixed changing areas/toilets, with separate cubicles, with or without gaps, their reasoning being, "There is one at my gym and there has never been a problem." (There probably has, they just haven't told you).

Such a shame that WRN dont have some sort of section on the home page of their web site to show they have a new report.

If I hadn't seen this thread (as I dont read the Telegraph) would never have known about it.

And had to dig through to find it.

Anyhow, for anyone interested this is the actual report!

https://017ee2dd-4ea6-4d7f-869c-a043485bcc87.filesusr.com/ugd/a86851_84e4785fdf1b4c65afa177a0536de74c.pdf