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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Judge declares marriage void as husband unaware of partner’s transgender wishes

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IwantToRetire · 05/12/2025 18:44

A marriage has been declared legally void by the Eastern Circuit Court after a husband told the court he was unaware that his spouse intended to transition.

The couple, who cannot be named for legal reasons, appeared before an in-camera family law sitting of the Circuit Court seeking an annulment.

The court heard that the couple married before the wife decided she wished to transition into a man. Following his transition, the applicant now identifies as male, uses he/him pronouns and both his passport and driving licence list his gender as male.

The court was told that the marriage had never been consummated.
The husband stated that if he had known his partner was considering transitioning, he would not have gone through with the marriage.

More at https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-declares-marriage-void-as-husband-unaware-of-partners-transgender-wishes/a310051579.html

Judge declares marriage void as husband unaware of partner’s transgender wishes

A marriage has been declared legally void by the Eastern Circuit Court after a husband told the court he was unaware that his spouse intended to transition.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-declares-marriage-void-as-husband-unaware-of-partners-transgender-wishes/a310051579.html

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 18:58

I’d be interested to know if the reverse would happen if it was a trans widow.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 05/12/2025 19:04

I thought in Ireland that a marriage could be annulled if it had never been consummated, so the whole trans aspect is just the reason why it wasn't consummated (I assume) and not the reason why the marriage was annulled.

MarieDeGournay · 05/12/2025 23:29

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 05/12/2025 19:04

I thought in Ireland that a marriage could be annulled if it had never been consummated, so the whole trans aspect is just the reason why it wasn't consummated (I assume) and not the reason why the marriage was annulled.

Gosh, who knew the Eastern Circuit Courts could be so interesting!Smile

In his ruling, Judge O’Sullivan ultimately found that there was no fully informed or valid consent at the time of the marriage. As a result, the relationship was deemed void and never legally recognised.

'Informed consent' has come up in UK cases of transpeople having sex without telling the partner that they are trans.

I wonder what the timescale was - how long after the marriage would transition have to take place before it could be argued that the marriage was not valid because 'if he had known his partner was considering transitioning, he would not have gone through with the marriage.'

Surely the vast majority of 'trans widows' could say the same thing?

PermanentTemporary · 05/12/2025 23:31

What an interesting case. Tbh wishing them both well and a better future and can’t help thinking ‘surely the woman is a lesbian’.

IwantToRetire · 05/12/2025 23:34

'Informed consent' has come up in UK cases of transpeople having sex without telling the partner that they are trans.

I must admit that was the raltionale that I took from it.

And the fact that the court case was about the deception.

Not about non consummation.

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Carri79 · 05/12/2025 23:37

Sounds a very sensible judgement

RNApolymerase · 05/12/2025 23:37

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 18:58

I’d be interested to know if the reverse would happen if it was a trans widow.

exactly my first thought when reading about this case.

Swamphag · 06/12/2025 05:10

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 18:58

I’d be interested to know if the reverse would happen if it was a trans widow.

My first thoughts too

Rightsraptor · 06/12/2025 06:14

I agree it's an interesting one and it's important to note it was in RoI and the marriage was unconsummated, as you say. I've seen it compared to a UK case of divorce where the trans partner was able to claim the costs of the surgery etc of £150,000+ (I think I got that right) from marital funds. Apparently this surgery wasn't choice at all, it was essential & compared to cancer treatment.

Divorce and anulment are different things but you say this wasn't about anulment? I read an article about it but couldn't get a 100% idea of what it actually was about but ... different countries.

I'm wondering how it is treated by courts in E&W. One strand of trans arguments can be 'I've known since I was 4', in which case marriage in the birth sex 20+ years after this epiphany is deceitful. Or, if they only came to this realisation after marriage, couldn't that indicate a lack of genuineness? A la Pips Bunce.

It seems to me trans & gay could be treated similarly in end-of-marriage matters: if the other partner wants out, it should be pretty much automatic as it's a huge re-write of the contract they entered into upon marriage.

Daleksatemyshed · 06/12/2025 09:42

It amazes me the things people hide before they're married thinking their DH or DW will just have to accept it.

Tallisker · 06/12/2025 13:30

I’m sure you can get an annulment of marriage on grounds of non-consummation in the UK too.

nauticant · 06/12/2025 14:34

It's possible the man was outraged by the deception and wanted that ground to be decided on specifically rather than only going down a relatively straightforward non-consummation route and letting the deception be swept under the carpet.

RobinEllacotStrike · 06/12/2025 14:43

What a shitty thing to do to someone. (Marry them & then go “I’m trans”)

AnSolas · 06/12/2025 17:11

@Rightsraptor the Irish consitution was changed to allow same sex marraige. So he could have opted to divorce which would have recognised that there was a legal and valid marraige to begin with. However as I understand it there remains a possibility of one party being able to reopen their case at any stage.

An anulment recognises that there was never a valid nor legal marraige to begin with.

IMO the issue of going with consummated or not starts out with the husband recognises there had been a legal process of carrying out marraige and filing the documents but not a valid marraige as no sex (PIV) happended to "seal the deal".

Then question in a same sex relationship is how is consummated recognised by the Courts. Which the Judge may have hinted at with the comment about same sex relationships.

If the woman had a GRC (and the "male sex" passport suggests she has one) and wanted to fight the case the legal arguments could end up being complex. Or even if there has not yet been a same sex case on this the Judge may not have been in a position to rule that it is possible for a Court to grant an annulment.

The option of no valid consent moves the "clock" to invalidate the whole process from the time they applied for a licence through the waiting period and at the service and filing the proof to get the marraige cert.

Rightsraptor · 06/12/2025 17:17

@AnSolas you describe it very well, thank you, and how messy it all seems. As I'm sure you know we don't have self ID here in the UK but it is, I'm told, very easy to change the name on documents such as driving licence & passport here, no GRC required.

IwantToRetire · 06/12/2025 23:24

If you read the article it is quite clear the divorce was granted on the basis of deception.

It is really important that the act of deception is recognised for what it is.

The non consummation was just mentioned but was not the basis on which the man asked for and got an annulement.

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The husband stated that if he had known his partner was considering transitioning, he would not have gone through with the marriage.

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AcademyFootball · 07/12/2025 07:45

With annulment there are no grounds for splitting any assets either.

Comtesse · 07/12/2025 07:48

AcademyFootball · 07/12/2025 07:45

With annulment there are no grounds for splitting any assets either.

Yes surely that’s why it’s different from getting divorced.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/12/2025 08:03

Comtesse · 07/12/2025 07:48

Yes surely that’s why it’s different from getting divorced.

It’s also different for Catholics isn’t it, re remarriage?

there’s a discussion here about the law in the U.K. which provides a pause for a person to decide what they want to do before their spouse can get a GRC - the options include annulment.
https://www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2024/06/10/womens-consent-matters/

Women’s Consent Matters -

The Liberal Democrats’ manifesto (published today) promises to abolish the spousal veto in the Gender Recognition Act 2004 (“GRA”) (see Section 19). The spousal veto is a phrase which has been widely used by politicians wishing to expand LGBT rights. B...

https://www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2024/06/10/womens-consent-matters/

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 07/12/2025 08:12

That’s interesting about defining ‘consummation’ in a same sex marriage.
I wonder whether it would be considered grounds, if the couple had previously agreed not to consummate? If they were asexual for example. It would seem unfair for an annulment on those grounds, had it been agreed beforehand.

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