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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Labour will ban transgender women from the main hall at the party’s women’s conference next year.

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ProfessorIDareSay · 05/12/2025 18:39

Telegraph

Labour bans trans women from women’s conference
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/12/05/labour-ban-trans-women-womens-conference/

“Until 2024, Labour’s women’s conference, which is held on the Saturday before the start of the main annual conference, was open to all who identified as a woman.
On Friday, a National Executive Committee (NEC) meeting agreed on a plan to allow the conference to go ahead while also complying with equality law.
The party said that the main session of the conference will be restricted to biological women.
It means trans women – biological men who identify as female – will not be able to see keynote speeches, take part in policy debates or vote on motions and elections for the national women’s committee.”

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ErrolTheDragon · 05/12/2025 18:43

Wow….although I’ll believe it when I see it.

Nomoredamnmats · 05/12/2025 18:44

i expect they’ll turn up anyway.

timesublimelysilencesthewhys · 05/12/2025 18:52

Nomoredamnmats · 05/12/2025 18:44

i expect they’ll turn up anyway.

Doing one of those weird dances they do when the go into women toilets en masse.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 05/12/2025 20:08

That thought will last until the 'trans'maidens start to screech and kick off, and then it'll be changed, because they don't have the backbone to tell the intolerant ones to take a hike.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 05/12/2025 20:19

Thoughts and prayers to Nadia.

CrocsNotDocs · 05/12/2025 20:19

They’ll turn up and the organisers will be too afraid to make a scene.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 05/12/2025 20:25

Knowing nothing about it, I'm surprised that the Women's conference is women-only to be honest. Sessions and workshops yes, voting and keynote speeches yes, but simple attendence? I'd actively want men there listening and learning what matters to women when we are not being interupted, spoken over or "I think what you are trying to say is"-ed

weegielass · 05/12/2025 20:30

problem is that its a 2 day event, the main event is women only but the exhibition and fringe events are open to all, so a fringe event about something that only affects women could have biological males in attendance. Also workshops that could be run by lesbian labour or LWD, could be heckled by TiMs

SternJoyousBeev2 · 05/12/2025 21:55

Perhaps they are betting on more defections to the Greens before the Conference date.

JoyintheMorning · 05/12/2025 22:05

As I understand. Pretend women:
Not allowed to address Main Conference
Not allowed to vote
Not to attend main hall events
Will be allowed to Fringe events
Will be allowed to evening event.

RhannionKPSS · 05/12/2025 22:38

hurrah, about bloody time

BundleBoogie · 05/12/2025 23:15

SternJoyousBeev2 · 05/12/2025 20:19

Thoughts and prayers to Nadia.

Hopefully the true handmaidens will boycott it in solidarity so sane women can get on without the wailing and gnashing.

JoClogs · 05/12/2025 23:35

About time.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/12/2025 04:09

CrocsNotDocs · 05/12/2025 20:19

They’ll turn up and the organisers will be too afraid to make a scene.

They’ll turn up deliberately to cause trouble and get in the media, though. That will be interesting.

Easytoconfuse · 06/12/2025 06:22

Nomoredamnmats · 05/12/2025 18:44

i expect they’ll turn up anyway.

Shall we start crowdfunding for Naomi now? Or maybe we won't need to because this sudden rush of reality cutting in leaves me suspecting that hitting people hard in the wallet is so much more effective than stopping women speaking or telling them they're mean, stinky poo pants.

As Naomi and that gorgeous barrister in the Darlington case both said, when a biological male goes into a woman-only space then it stops being a woman only space. That is the law and all the sad times isn't going to change that. Better still it doesn't depend on guidelines, so Labour can postpone those all they like because this shows that they know the truth.

Easytoconfuse · 06/12/2025 06:24

JoyintheMorning · 05/12/2025 22:05

As I understand. Pretend women:
Not allowed to address Main Conference
Not allowed to vote
Not to attend main hall events
Will be allowed to Fringe events
Will be allowed to evening event.

Yes, but they can still address the main conference so they've not been disenfranchised. They simply can't take roles that should be ring fenced for women to make the Labour party equal. And I suspect this is a lot of what the fuss is about.

PodMom · 06/12/2025 07:01

CrocsNotDocs · 05/12/2025 20:19

They’ll turn up and the organisers will be too afraid to make a scene.

This. Nobody will be doing genital exams. Will they be insisting on seeing passports? For everyone? Or just those who look a bit manly?

I would like to think men would respect the decision but I doubt it.

Datun · 06/12/2025 08:00

Easytoconfuse · 06/12/2025 06:22

Shall we start crowdfunding for Naomi now? Or maybe we won't need to because this sudden rush of reality cutting in leaves me suspecting that hitting people hard in the wallet is so much more effective than stopping women speaking or telling them they're mean, stinky poo pants.

As Naomi and that gorgeous barrister in the Darlington case both said, when a biological male goes into a woman-only space then it stops being a woman only space. That is the law and all the sad times isn't going to change that. Better still it doesn't depend on guidelines, so Labour can postpone those all they like because this shows that they know the truth.

because this shows that they know the truth.

Yes, it does, doesn't it.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/12/2025 08:04

PodMom · 06/12/2025 07:01

This. Nobody will be doing genital exams. Will they be insisting on seeing passports? For everyone? Or just those who look a bit manly?

I would like to think men would respect the decision but I doubt it.

lol at the idea that men are just sooooo difficult to spot just because they've popped on a dress, grown their hair and maybe bought themselves some fake tits

IwantToRetire · 10/12/2025 19:56

... What is happening here is not a principled debate about rights but a familiar piece of political choreography: the quiet use of technicalities to override the spirit of the rules. Formally, Labour can say that the Women’s Conference reception is not part of the “business” of Conference, and therefore not covered by the sections of the Rule Book that define Women’s Conference as a women’s space. Informally, everyone knows that the reception is where much of the real work happens (particularly as the truly democratic elements of Women’s Conference have been eroded). It is where women meet across regions and factions, compare experiences, offer advice, and form the alliances that keep them afloat once they return to their CLPs and council Labour groups.

By reclassifying the reception as something outside Conference, the Party can claim procedural innocence while stripping the event of the very thing that makes it valuable. The manoeuvre keeps Labour technically within the rules while travelling far outside their intent. It is a decision that seems to respond not to the highest court in the land, but to internal anxieties.

This is how political institutions lose trust: not by openly rewriting their rules, but by quietly working around them. When the Party treats its own structures as obstacles to be sidestepped rather than safeguards to be honoured, members learn to read between the lines. Women notice when a space created for their benefit is reclassified just enough to permit a symbolic gesture to someone else. The message is not subtle, and it is not lost on us. It marks the difference between a Party that genuinely promotes women’s political participation and one that protects it only until it becomes politically inconvenient. ..

https://labourlist.org/2025/12/womens-conference-single-sex-debate/

(Surprised to see this is written by a Hackney Councillor, thought the Labour Group there was all TWAW!)

‘Labour’s women’s conference compromise raises questions about our commitment to single-sex spaces’ – LabourList

The outgoing Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) Chair Baroness Falkner was on the airwaves and in the papers over the weekend — and The…

https://labourlist.org/2025/12/womens-conference-single-sex-debate/

ProfessorIDareSay · 10/12/2025 20:10

Laura was a candidate who did not get elected iirc. She is very active in LWD and in parliament 👏
Excellent article. Yet again Labour only paying lip service to the law.

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IwantToRetire · 10/12/2025 20:27

ProfessorIDareSay · 10/12/2025 20:10

Laura was a candidate who did not get elected iirc. She is very active in LWD and in parliament 👏
Excellent article. Yet again Labour only paying lip service to the law.

Thanks. I seem to remember reading about some Labour women candidates in Hackney losing support from the Party because of being GC.

That's why I was surprised. But then she didn't get elected. Shame.

It is a good article. Makes it clear to those of us outside of the Labour Party system just how it can be manipulated.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/12/2025 04:35

I think she wasn’t able to canvass because they suspended her, then they didn’t have anyone else available in time so I think they lifted the suspension at the last minute so she was their candidate. A local favourite Lib Dem or something won I think.

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