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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

St Albans Councillors motion in support of Trans Rights

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DrProfessorYaffle · 05/12/2025 14:30

St Albans councillors have backed a motion that aims to promote transgender rights and will “actively encourage” LGBTQ+ people to apply for council jobs.

At a meeting yesterday (Wednesday, December 3), Cllr Harriet Sherlock (LD) called on her colleagues to back a motion that she said would “let trans residents in this district know that they are heard, seen, safe, respected, and that their contribution to this community is valued”.

Its approval means the leader of the council, Cllr Paul De Kort (LD), will write to the minister for women and equalities in support of transgender rights, and the council will publicly mark and promote the Trans Day of Visibility and the Trans Day of Remembrance.

Job adverts for roles at the council will also include a statement that the council “welcome applications from all, including trans, non-binary and LGBTQ+ people”.

Cllr Sherlock said: “Many trans people are so ground down by the constant discrimination, demonisation and vilification directed towards them that they believe they will never get a job. Stating that this council welcomes applications from people who are trans is an important beacon. It’s not offering positive discrimination, it’s not doing that at all.

“This motion is not going to cost the council money. It’s not going to put the rights of trans people above those of other people with protected characteristics.

The trans community are most definitely under attack; under attack from a very vocal, vociferous and moneyed minority, who rather than advancing women’s rights and role in society, want to take us way, way back. They aren’t for women; they are anti-trans.

“Apparently, if you don’t conform nowadays to narrow gender stereotypes you can be challenged and denied access to a lavatory. Not girly enough? Not blokey enough? It’s fine for you to be publicly humiliated and to just cross your legs. This is a hugely discriminatory thing.”

Cllr Sherlock’s motion was first brought to the council in July, since when she had removed a statement in it that “council believes that trans women are women [and] trans men are men” so as “not to risk the motion’s defeat”.

The motion was supported by Labour group leader Cllr Emma Turnbull, who criticised those who have “weaponised” the issue of transgender rights, and by Green Cllr Matt Fisher, who said: “Our duty as a council is clear: everyone in St Albans district deserves to live safely, openly and with dignity, free from fear and free to thrive.

“Protecting trans rights is not only a matter of fairness … it is a safeguard for the rights and freedoms of us all.”

In total, 44 councillors voted in favour of the motion, while two abstained and two voted against.

Both councillors to vote against the motion were Conservative representatives.

One of them, Cllr Matt Cowley, said he had “a particular concern” around the proposals for job adverts.

He said: “My concern is that by saying in job adverts that we explicitly welcome applications from some groups in society, we are implying to people who are not of those groups that they are not welcome to apply.

“I am also concerned that it creates the impression that the LGBT people we employ – and we employ them because they are the best people to do their jobs … have been hired because of their gender identity or their sexual orientation.

“I would not want us to open up the employees of this council to discrimination on that basis.

“In a time of division, we must try and handle the rights of groups – all groups – in society with the utmost seriousness.”

✍Original copy via Local Democracy Service by Christopher Day

(Underlining mine)

This came up on Facebook via Herts Live.

I am baffled by the assertions made here.

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Helleofabore · 05/12/2025 14:33

“welcome applications from all, including trans, non-binary and LGBTQ+ people”.

Will they also make sure to make a note to welcome all other protected characteristics too on all communications?

SionnachRuadh · 05/12/2025 14:54

It would be St Albans, wouldn't it? LD councils are just as bad as Labour or Green councils when it comes to gormless virtue signalling.

A very large number of UK local authorities are bankrupt, but councillors don't seem to have the bandwidth for thinking about that.

RoyalCorgi · 05/12/2025 14:56

There are many things to hate about this ideology - the misogyny, the homophobia, the child abuse. But if I'm honest, it's the sheer fucking stupidity that gets me every time. These people are so thick you might as well try reasoning with a wombat.

SoSickOfThisSht · 05/12/2025 15:06

I am so sick of this shit!!! Watching my council fall over itself to promote this feels like living in a hall of mirrors. I feel despair and complete helplessness. I have very young DD and a huge stake in making sure this area stays safe for them yet I’m surrounded by people who treat gender ideology as unquestionable truth and any challenge as cruelty.

I can’t speak up locally. I’’m not brave enough to put my children in the firing line. I know exactly what happens to women who stick their heads above the parapet and I cannot risk becoming ‘that’ mum whose kids get socially iced out because she dared to say biological sex is real.

What really gets me is the hypocrisy. We welcome trans. We welcome non binary. We welcome LGBTQ+. Fine. But what about women who are gender realists. What about women who have been threatened with rape and violence for saying the most basic safeguarding truths. Those women are clearly not welcome. Those women do not get safety or dignity. Those women could be the best candidates for a job yet the message is loud and clear that their views make them undesirable.

And what are my options? Writing to my councillor is pointless. Writing to Daisy Cooper is pointless, she’s completely captured. Speaking to the Greens is utterly pointless. It is like talking to a brick wall. Pushback gets ignored. Look at what happened in Bristol when constituents asked reasonable questions. Total stonewalling.

So honestly, what do people like me do? I feel completely boxed in. I cannot speak, I cannot engage and yet I cannot pretend this is fine. It feels utterly futile.

I love this place and yet it’s leadership makes me feel unsure about its future.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 05/12/2025 15:13

SionnachRuadh · 05/12/2025 14:54

It would be St Albans, wouldn't it? LD councils are just as bad as Labour or Green councils when it comes to gormless virtue signalling.

A very large number of UK local authorities are bankrupt, but councillors don't seem to have the bandwidth for thinking about that.

LD councils are definitely up there with the greens

Cllr Sherlock is the mother of a trans woman (see link) but im sure she's completely balancing that conflict of interest....

harrowonline.org/2025/07/17/silenced-trans-rights-motion-blocked-at-st-albans-council-meeting/

soupycustard · 05/12/2025 15:15

What rights don't trans people have?!

plantcomplex · 05/12/2025 15:23

The trans community are most definitely under attack; under attack from a very vocal, vociferous and moneyed minority, who rather than advancing women’s rights and role in society, want to take us way, way back. They aren’t for women; they are anti-trans.
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“Apparently, if you don’t conform nowadays to narrow gender stereotypes you can be challenged and denied access to a lavatory. Not girly enough? Not blokey enough? It’s fine for you to be publicly humiliated and to just cross your legs. This is a hugely discriminatory thing.

What an utter moron. If that is happening, the only reason that it is happening is as a direct consequence of the regressive misogyny known as trans activism.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 05/12/2025 15:41

It was good to see that not all councillors are captured,

"One of them, Cllr Matt Cowley, said he had “a particular concern” around the proposals for job adverts.
He said: “My concern is that by saying in job adverts that we explicitly welcome applications from some groups in society, we are implying to people who are not of those groups that they are not welcome to apply.
“I am also concerned that it creates the impression that the LGBT people we employ – and we employ them because they are the best people to do their jobs … have been hired because of their gender identity or their sexual orientation."

Unfortunately the voice of reason is being completely drown out by the baying of the mob.

The degree to which some of the elected officials in this country have become unhinged is frightening and sickening.

Everything in the statement is over the top hyperbole, these exaggerated lies and cry bully tactics are obscene.

The most disturbing thing about this ideology is how self-righteous it make's it's believers, the absolute conviction that they are right and everyone else is wrong is horrifying to behold.

The fact that the councillor who responsible for the motion is a 'trans' mother explains a lot.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 05/12/2025 15:44

What a lot of hot air.

What rights exactly? What discrimination? Do they actually know or have they just all got high on the same bit of misinformation?

This making a three act drama out of the perfectly normal thing that women have rights and spaces too helps no one, particularly the more vulnerable of the population they claim to be so caring towards.

Soontobe60 · 05/12/2025 15:49

The fact that they’re putting a statement on job adverts targeting this demographic absolutely is contradicted by this statement:
This motion is not going to cost the council money. It’s not going to put the rights of trans people above those of other people with protected characteristics

Talkinpeace · 05/12/2025 15:52

I hope they get lots of job applications from Terven who say nothing but wear suffragete lanyards on their first day.
Discrimination is able to go to ET from day 1 after all.

SionnachRuadh · 05/12/2025 15:55

So essentially the council has been whipped up into an enormous lather because the council leader's child is sad about having to use the appropriate toilets.

I don't believe in holding people's family relationships against them, but I'm starting to think that MPs with trans family members should declare an interest. Nobody knows exactly how many members of Starmer's cabinet have trans-identified children, but it's been a live subject of Labour gossip circles for years. And we wonder why Wes Streeting and Bridget Phillipson are watering down their previous sensible positions.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 05/12/2025 16:03

When a personal belief system involves active rejection of equality and lack of bias as important principles, I honestly do think capacity to do a public service job is a serious issue.

Trans activism involves actively rejecting women and gay rights and equalities, shunning sinners against their personal beliefs, and avoiding the harm of hearing opinions or voices - or permitting them use of public facilities and spaces- that may speak sin.

A person cannot hold those beliefs, follow them and still be fit to hold a public post of impartial service to the general public. They need to choose one or the other.

Although that quiet 'but no hierarchy of protected characteristics' does sound a bit like making a loud noise of supportive hysteria while slipping through the bottom line.

Grammarnut · 05/12/2025 17:54

The proto-martyr must be turning in his grave (not sure where it is). He knew what a woman was and it wasn't a man - so couldn't join his monastery.

SionnachRuadh · 05/12/2025 17:58

If the councillors of St Albans are going to insist on being so silly, I will not hesitate to annoy them even more by saying their "city" is a suburb of Watford.

soocool · 05/12/2025 18:06

At this rate the world and its mother will be turning trans in order to get a job.

Equality my arse. No mention of any of the other protected characteristics in that rant of a statement from a vested interest was there?

SoSickOfThisSht · 05/12/2025 19:17

SionnachRuadh · 05/12/2025 17:58

If the councillors of St Albans are going to insist on being so silly, I will not hesitate to annoy them even more by saying their "city" is a suburb of Watford.

Woah there Sionnach, too far! 🤣

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 05/12/2025 19:21

That’s good way to get voted out of Snorbens 😂 it’s like an own goal.

NextRinny · 05/12/2025 21:33

A) Did they not consider all applicants before?
Or
B) are they going to start positive discrimination for this category of applicants?
Or
C) are they just stating what already happens with a bit of trans washing?

My money is on c.

DrProfessorYaffle · 05/12/2025 22:45

We are always being told that it's a tiny teeny weeny minority of people (so we should just give away xyz) AND that we can't tell who they are, so on what evidence is this employment prioritisation meeting a need?

If they pass so well that we should all have no idea and no care that they're in our toilets and changing rooms, how are they being selected to be prevented from getting a job?

I wonder how many trans people are out of work in St Albans soecifically because of the need for his notion and statement in ALL job adverts as opposed to say, mothers with school age children without access to appropriate childcare, or people with mobility and accessibility issues who need to be assured of disabled facilities and flexible working??

I wonder where the impact and need analysis came in to this? Whether they considered the impact on applicants with other PCs and needs?

We already know that women don't apply for jobs where they don't meet all the criteria - have they considered how making such a statement may influence and reduce their pool of applicants too?

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Abhannmor · 06/12/2025 10:38

An old mate of mine was a boarder at a convent school and one of the nuns was called Sr.Alban. I suppose St Alban him/ her / themselves will soon be a trans icon. Only kidding . Shouldn't be giving them ideas....

flyingbuttress43 · 06/12/2025 14:19

Apparently, if you don’t conform nowadays to narrow gender stereotypes you can be challenged and denied access to a lavatory.

Will someone please tell silly Cllr Sherlock that trans people are the most gender stereotype conforming people on the planet.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 06/12/2025 14:24

Cllr Sherlock said: “Many trans people are so ground down by the constant discrimination, demonisation and vilification directed towards them that they believe they will never get a job. Stating that this council welcomes applications from people who are trans is an important beacon. It’s not offering positive discrimination, it’s not doing that at all.

All the trans people I know (admittedly not many) and most NOT ALL - don't come at me) of those I see online don't want a job. They want to grift online and get benefits. Furthermore, a lot of employers are totally prioritising hiring and then pandering to the "trans community" - can't get a job my arse! If any of them are struggling to find work then they are just in the same boat as the rest of us. It's bad out there for everyone.

And It absolutely is discrimination. As a GC woman I'd definitely feel unwelcome to apply after seeing that and they know it. It's deliberate.

tobee · 06/12/2025 15:15

They always have to sneak in a reference to "moneyed" or similar, don't they? To try and garner sympathy. When it's just a load of old bollocks and un evidenced.

Much like the rest of the TRA movement

DrProfessorYaffle · 06/12/2025 16:35

tobee · 06/12/2025 15:15

They always have to sneak in a reference to "moneyed" or similar, don't they? To try and garner sympathy. When it's just a load of old bollocks and un evidenced.

Much like the rest of the TRA movement

Edited

It's so ridiculous.

And to be so sure that 'they' (us) are 'not for women' is infuriating

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