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'He has a point, but he's too blunt.' JKR

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IwantToRetire · 01/12/2025 18:37

In response to " Interesting interview with @Glinner on @GBNEWS a few minutes ago about the trans debate. It's interesting how the tide is turning in his favour. I've seen old friends who shunned him admit he has a point but that he was too blunt. Even that would was unthinkable a few years ago. "

From the start, a key tactic of the gender identitarians has been linguistic prescription, and it's proved shockingly successful. Trans activists' shibboleths and euphemisms have been allowed to penetrate the upper echelons of our culture with devastating consequences to freedom of speech and belief. Huge swathes of liberal media, the arts, academia and publishing have thrown themselves with gusto into the defence of a quasi-religious belief causing provable real world harm, and in their arrogance they've been outraged when people they assumed were part of their In Group have refused to march meekly along in lock step.

Time and again, I've seen and heard well-educated people who consider themselves critical thinkers and bold truth-tellers squirm when put on the spot. 'Well, yes, maybe there's something in what you're saying, but it's hateful/provocative/rude not to use the approved language/pretend people can literally change sex/keep drawing attention to medical malpractice or opportunistic sexual predators. Why can't you be nice? Why won't you pretend? We thought you were one of us! Don't you realise we have sophisticated new words and phrases these days that obviate the necessity of thinking any of this through?'

As the vibe shifts, and a lot of people in the elite professions start trying to reposition themselves, the obvious place to start is, 'it's not that I couldn't see your point, but did you have to say it that way?' We dissenters were supposed to find a way of questioning the chemical castration of children while calling it 'gender affirming care.' We were meant to defend the rights of vulnerable women while also using female pronouns for male rapists. We should have found a way to discuss fairness for women and girls in sport, while pretending that the ineradicable physical advantage men have over women doesn't exist.

Either a man can be a woman, or he can't. Either women deserve rights, or they don't. Either there's a provable medical benefit to transitioning children, or there isn't. Either you're on the side of a totalitarian ideology that seeks to impose falsehoods on society through the threat of ostracisation, shaming and violence, or you're not. The alternative to being 'blunt' - using accurate, factual language to describe what was going on - was to surrender freedom of speech and espouse ideological jargon that obfuscated the issues and the harms caused. We've always needed blunt people, but we need them most of all when being asked to bow down to a naked emperor.

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'He has a point, but he's too blunt.' From the start, a key tactic of the gender identitarians has been linguistic prescription, and it's proved shockingly successful. Trans activists' shibboleths and euphemisms have been allowed to penetrate the uppe...

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CautiousLurker2 · 12/12/2025 12:10

Abhannmor · 12/12/2025 11:51

Thank you Cautious Lurker . A very good and thoughtful post. I hope your situation - and that of DH - improves in the fullness of time.

I love Linehans writing and even bought a few copies of his book as Christmas presents last year. But he seems to be one of life's extremists in all he does. Anyone not with me is against me sort of thing. A mental block of some kind which must make other people's behavior difficult for him to fathom at times.

Thank you - yes, I bought his recent book and it is excellent. I am truly a fan. Love Black Books and the IT crowd. As does my DD, funnily, who still has trans friends and prefers mens clothes to girls… but she is at uni studying classics and started rereading JKR books recently as she was interested in how JKR (and Tolkien) draw on classical myths and legends in their story creation.

The trans period will always hang over us and we worry all the time that she may get drawn back in as her ND means she is vulnerable - Her new best uni-friend is a Canadian trans man - the sweetest, petite-est, long blonde-haired soul but whose voice suggests they are taking T and whose stature suggests they’ve possibly had the breast surgery too, as those are all deemed fine in Canada. So yes, still crapping myself daily.

I’m not sure the ‘fight’ will ever be truly over - as the govts willingness to conduct a study on PBs in children show, not just despite the Cass Report but as a result of it. It will need loud and highly engaged people to get us over the line to a world where children and autistic YPs are protected - and louder, passionate people to keep watch when we make it there.

I feel on some level that part of the power of TRAs has been our complacency. I felt once LGB rights were protected and enshrined in law, so that they had equal rights in family courts and the work place, our job was done. I thought women’s rights were a done deal that might just need tweaking as society evolved. Now it is painfully obvious that it wasn’t.

We needed watchers to ensure those rights remained in tact and were not eroded. I think in the rise in girls identifying as trans is in direct response to the erosion of those protections - they don’t have the safety and protection we thought we had secured. I feel bloody mad with myself for not engaging - so we DO need the Glinners of this world, if only to wake us all up our complacency.

RoyalCorgi · 12/12/2025 12:43

I do think Graham is, let's put it politely, unwise sometimes. The other day, fresh out of a court battle with a trans activist, he accused Owen Jones of wanting women and girls to be raped in "spaces they used to call their own".

Obviously it's not as inflammatory as the stuff that trans activists post at him, or at women, but even so. It doesn't really do anything for the cause of civil debate, does it?

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NotBadConsidering · 12/12/2025 13:22

But as Glinner points out in his article, he’s not upset with them for not putting their head above the parapet, he’s upset with them for condemning him without have any clue what he’d been through and why.

It would be one thing if he’d actually engaged with the substance and come out the other side with a different view. What I can’t respect is the refusal to look

I think that’s a bit different to criticising people for staying neutral or taking a position for self preservation.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 12/12/2025 13:45

NotBadConsidering · 12/12/2025 13:22

But as Glinner points out in his article, he’s not upset with them for not putting their head above the parapet, he’s upset with them for condemning him without have any clue what he’d been through and why.

It would be one thing if he’d actually engaged with the substance and come out the other side with a different view. What I can’t respect is the refusal to look

I think that’s a bit different to criticising people for staying neutral or taking a position for self preservation.

Yes I think that's the thing isn't it? I've lost friends over this, ppl who knew me or at least I thought they did, ppl who knew I was a bog standard lefty liberal over pretty much everything who then suddenly decided that, because i didn't believe men could be women and thought that women's spaces were fir actual women, I was a bigot

it's absolutely mental but also very hurtful

Abhannmor · 12/12/2025 13:53

CautiousLurker2 · 12/12/2025 12:10

Thank you - yes, I bought his recent book and it is excellent. I am truly a fan. Love Black Books and the IT crowd. As does my DD, funnily, who still has trans friends and prefers mens clothes to girls… but she is at uni studying classics and started rereading JKR books recently as she was interested in how JKR (and Tolkien) draw on classical myths and legends in their story creation.

The trans period will always hang over us and we worry all the time that she may get drawn back in as her ND means she is vulnerable - Her new best uni-friend is a Canadian trans man - the sweetest, petite-est, long blonde-haired soul but whose voice suggests they are taking T and whose stature suggests they’ve possibly had the breast surgery too, as those are all deemed fine in Canada. So yes, still crapping myself daily.

I’m not sure the ‘fight’ will ever be truly over - as the govts willingness to conduct a study on PBs in children show, not just despite the Cass Report but as a result of it. It will need loud and highly engaged people to get us over the line to a world where children and autistic YPs are protected - and louder, passionate people to keep watch when we make it there.

I feel on some level that part of the power of TRAs has been our complacency. I felt once LGB rights were protected and enshrined in law, so that they had equal rights in family courts and the work place, our job was done. I thought women’s rights were a done deal that might just need tweaking as society evolved. Now it is painfully obvious that it wasn’t.

We needed watchers to ensure those rights remained in tact and were not eroded. I think in the rise in girls identifying as trans is in direct response to the erosion of those protections - they don’t have the safety and protection we thought we had secured. I feel bloody mad with myself for not engaging - so we DO need the Glinners of this world, if only to wake us all up our complacency.

Agree with all you say. The trans craze seems to be fading out in schools. Perhaps it will hang on longer in some unis. I'm sure you'll have given your DD a secure grounding , given what you posted previously. I sometimes think university should start at 26 , when out brains have stopped developing. Spend the intervening years doing something practical?

RoyalCorgi · 12/12/2025 14:45

I think there's something uniquely painful about being betrayed by your friends. I was reminded of glinner's experience by a piece in the Times today by a woman who was deserted by some of her friends when her husband dies. These are people you've trusted for years, who you know you would support if they were in trouble - and yet suddenly, they're prepared just to abandon you. It makes you question your own judgement and undermines the sense of security you have in the world.

And in glinner's case, it wasn't that he lost friends because they disagreed with him - on the contrary, they all said that they didn't know very much about the issue. He lost friends because they didn't want to be associated with this very angry man, because it might harm their own reputation. And so they were prepared to see him lose his livelihood and his marriage and to be dragged through the courts by deeply nasty, malicious ideologues - anything rather than be tainted by association.

CassOle · 12/12/2025 14:52

Gender identity ideology damages everything it touches. The organisations that support it, those who stand against it and those who believe in it (the surgical complications are a good example of this).

It is like King Midas turning everything he touches into gold - on a surface level, this sounded great to the King, but it is really very much a terrible curse.

SnoopyPajamas · 12/12/2025 15:51

MowingMachine · 01/12/2025 20:16

Oh, hello mate. Trans Reddit quiet at the mo, is it?

The tumbleweed must really be a-blowing over them thar hills.

Not surprising, when even the kids are ditching trans in droves. Are the TRAs starting to run out of "minions"? I'm sensing some projection 😂

(I do love that TRAs are so reliant on DARVO. They tell on themselves every time.)

IwantToRetire · 12/12/2025 16:59

Just in case when I posted this recent article that I was saying oh no he's done it again, is in fact as I said at the start of this thread, its absolutely irrelevant to the issue he is supporting how he acts and speaks. (I assume this is his authentic self and not some staged act!)

And made it a joke as I assumed all the people who says he's gone to far, he shouldn't do this, do that, blah, blah, blah would use this another way to deflect from the issue.

And the article made clear this was about, as other's have said the very personal impact of finding people you thought were friends and respected, dont even have the guts to engage in discussion.

Not forgetting some of us my hear via a local grapevine somebody has bad mouthed us.

He gets to see it via shouty newspaper headlines. That's what gets me.

The personal betrayal of doing that. Anyone of those people could have said to journalists I dont want to make a public comment.

Anyhow, I really came on the thread to find out if anyone has a subscription to the Telegraph and if they will be following Glinner answering questions online (Do you have questions for Graham Linehan? Post them in the comments section below, and he will respond at 6pm on Friday.)

Thanks

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IwantToRetire · 12/12/2025 17:01

I see they are offering 3 months free subscription!

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IwantToRetire · 12/12/2025 19:30

Well not sure if hardly anyone sent in any questions or they only or Glinner just picked a few.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/12/graham-linehan-answers-readers-questions/

And at https://archive.is/BcWBW

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Christinapple · 12/12/2025 21:40

And if the point is a sharpie, Jo will sniff it?

EtLuxPerpetuaLuceatEis · 13/12/2025 01:11

CautiousLurker2 · 03/12/2025 09:15

Just to add, I’ve seen Prof Winston’s opinion on sex chromosomes dismissed because ‘he trained as a doctor decades ago and the science has changed since’ !! 😵‍💫

OK, I almost never do this (comment before reading the whole thread), but WTF
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Abhannmor · 14/12/2025 09:41

EtLuxPerpetuaLuceatEis · 13/12/2025 01:11

OK, I almost never do this (comment before reading the whole thread), but WTF
.

Yes I did have a young person once tell me to go and educate myself as ' there's lots of cool new science on YouTube!'
I think that was on Huffington Post which I haven't seen for ages. I went on a blocking spree a few years back , after I found myself being ' stalked ' across different platforms. Not that I have a career to ruin but I do have family. Glinner has endured next level harassment.

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