Reclaim the Night - no longer about ending violence against women but all "genders"?

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I was looking at this list of Reclaim the Night Marches https://www.womensgrid.org.uk/?tag=rtn and they no longer seem to be about challenging the dangers women face when out walking or traveling.

Even thought they are organised as part of the 16 Days of Action Against Violence Against Women campaign, it seems women aren't even allowed to have a campaign about women's rights.
https://www.womensgrid.org.uk/?p=28070

I am probably being a bit hard line, as many events are no longer organised by women's groups and activists but local authorities. And so not likely to be on the radical feminist end of the spectrum of what now passes for feminism!

I suppose it would be different if this process of assimilation meant that violence against women was no longer a problem!

Historically, Reclaim the Night was 100% about and by women.
Women standing together to oppose male violence against women was a key part of the movement.

If men take part in Reclaim the Night, who exactly are they trying to Reclaim it from? Men as a group have never been targeted, stalked, endangered, attacked, raped, murdered at night just because of their sex.

If supportive men want to organise with other men against male violence against women, that's great. Fortunately for them, there's already an organisation for that:White Ribbon UK

'Not all men are the problem, but all men can be part of the solution.
In communities across the UK, men are stepping up to create safer spaces by taking everyday actions to prevent violence against women and girls, and it’s our mission to keep this on the rise.'

And if women were stalking the streets at night attacking and killing men, you can guarantee all women would be put under a curfew and yet oddly, men are allowed to roam free despite how many of them seem hell-bent on hurting women.

It's almost like women can't win whatever they do...

Statistically, men are at higher risk of violence from other men they don't know outside the home, and women are at higher risk of violence from men they know inside the home.

And overall, men attack other men more often than they attack women.

The majority of murder victims are male. This has been shown by ONS data year in year out for decades. So it is fair to say that men are at higher risk of violence.

HOWEVER all of this fails to deal with the problem, which is who is doing the violence, and it's overwhelmingly men in all situations. But we talk about vawg without mentioning the men who do it at all.

Violence is a male problem. A male behaviour.

Wasn't reclaim the night originally linked to the Sutcliffe murders in Bradford in the 1980's, which the police made a complete mess of solving, and women were told to stay at home if they didn't want to be his next victim?

If men take part in Reclaim the Night, who exactly are they trying to Reclaim it from?

Quite. It's like when men get hurt online and say things like, "if men didn't exist who would protect you" and the answer is "from what?"

Honestly, does nobody know women's liberation, feminist history.

To day is 25 November, which after years of campaigning is now know as the International Day to Eliminate Violence Against Women.

And the start of the 16 Days of Action Against Violence Against Women.

And to show such utter disrespect for those activists who achieved this is astonishing.

Reclaim the Night which came later in response to the Yorkshire Ripper came later, but then began to be held on 25th because they were about women being free to go out and not have to worry about violent men.

There are in fact many Safe Street Organisations.

I would expect that those organised by local councils will have fallen for the gender woo, but not expect on a feminist forum some sort of liberal wishy washy, dont lets make a fuss, the usual WATM.

Judging by these posts in a very short time there wont be any feminism because not even "feminists" think women are discriminated against and suffer male violence because of their sex.

Is this a serious thought through response.

I am comment, as does happen on FWR, that more and more those claiming to represent women's rights and interest then water it down to including men who indentify as women, and then to also include men who are "allies".

This is part of the purpose of these forum to share and be aware of how many of women's rights are being eroded.

And how, whether its RTN, support services or sport, society as a whole seems to wont to deny that women face discrimination and violence because of their sex.

I very much doubt this. It began in 1977 and trans women really weren't on the radar.

There is of course another aspect to this.

If a group of women decided to have a women only (ie female sex based) march, how soon before they would be trashed online, called transphobic, etc., etc..

If think the London Reclaim the Night organisers gave up as it just attracted those who came with their followers, to try and get some quick image of a poor TW being told the march wasn't for TW.

But still, dont lets worry of this strand of male privilege also attacking women's right to self determine.

The usual TRAs linking with the MRAs.

It was in response to Peter Sutcliffe, back in the late 70's