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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Happy World Toilet Day! Sex Matters

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IwantToRetire · 19/11/2025 20:43

Following the For Women Scotland judgment there has been a lot of drama about toilets. Transgender lobby groups and advertising agencies have argued that it is a breach of human rights not to allow men who identify as women to use women’s toilets, and the spectre has been raised of masses of businesses unable to meet their legal requirements. But it turned out that those “businesses” were mainly activists, many without employees or premises at all.

During the case of Good Law Project v Equality and Human Rights Commission, Sex Matters CEO Maya Forstater made a reference in her evidence to British Standard BS 6465 on toilets, which says in relation to public toilets: “Many men and women seek privacy, and many women and children feel safer when using single-sex facilities.”

Mr Justice Swift picked this up and asked for a written briefing from the parties on the British Standard and whether it comprises any form of legally enforceable obligation.

The British Standards Institution (BSI) is an independent body formed in 1901 under a royal charter. It provides reliably uncontroversial and detailed standards for everything from the width of pipes to the performance of horse-riding helmets.

The British Standard on “sanitary installations” is the reason why toilets in public places tend to have a familiar, standardised layout.

The British Standards provide recommendations to help duty bearers meet a range of legal obligations which relate both to building work and to the management and usage of services. There are somewhat different regulations across the UK nations, for workplaces in general and for different sectors such as education and healthcare. But the basic requirements are consistent.

You don’t need to be a lawyer or have a degree in sociology to decide how many of which type of toilets you need in a building, or who can use which ones.

The expectation that male and female facilities should be separate is woven through the standards, and they have a long history. The current version was published in 2006, but previous versions go back to 1952.

Article continues at https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/happy-world-toilet-day/ ie has more details and examples than introductory paragraphs.

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GarlicHound · 19/11/2025 21:02

Sex does indeed matter. I'm getting fed up of this nonsense dragging on ...

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/11/2025 21:07

I'd never have thought that the demands of dodgy men insisting on violating women's rights to safety and privacy from men while undressing would get such traction in society.
Thanks for this OP.

IwantToRetire · 19/11/2025 21:12

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/11/2025 21:07

I'd never have thought that the demands of dodgy men insisting on violating women's rights to safety and privacy from men while undressing would get such traction in society.
Thanks for this OP.

Well thanks to Sex Matters.

I haven't read it in details, but seems a useful resources for what seems too many women still having to say this is the law, and in fact has been so for decades!

The big kerfuffle is in fact much more to do with TRAs not wanting to admit they managed to give out incorrect, anti sex based rights advice for far too long.

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Keeptoiletssafe · 19/11/2025 21:46

😍

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/11/2025 21:48

Keeptoiletssafe · 19/11/2025 21:46

😍

Thought you'd pop up soon 😁

SwirlyGates · 19/11/2025 21:52

Is it coincidence that it's also International Men's Day?...

GarlicHound · 19/11/2025 22:14

So it is, @SwirlyGates! That must mean today didn't happen, then 😏

Keeptoiletssafe · 19/11/2025 22:32

If the Judge wants examples of exactly why single sex designs are so important, always happy to send in my research. It’s not light reading though, going through the recent real-life examples in the U.K.

IwantToRetire · 20/11/2025 00:59

A bit of a tangent but I have always wondered if anyone would do this. I hope they keep it up to date. https://www.toiletmap.org.uk/

And one for London tube travellers! https://www.toiletmap.org.uk/

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Seriestwo · 20/11/2025 01:18

inywrnaitonal men’s day, and loo day and TDOR tomorow?

it’s all happening

lcakethereforeIam · 20/11/2025 11:46

I'm sure I saw an article about the Loo of the Year(?) just the other day. They award prizes to the countries best toilets. I don't know who judges, what the criteria are; if it's cleanliness, access, safety, aesthetics, or if they've been genderwoo'd. If you haven't been in touch with them already @Keeptoiletssafe I wondered if they might be worth contacting?

Sorry for the digression.

Keeptoiletssafe · 20/11/2025 11:59

lcakethereforeIam · 20/11/2025 11:46

I'm sure I saw an article about the Loo of the Year(?) just the other day. They award prizes to the countries best toilets. I don't know who judges, what the criteria are; if it's cleanliness, access, safety, aesthetics, or if they've been genderwoo'd. If you haven't been in touch with them already @Keeptoiletssafe I wondered if they might be worth contacting?

Sorry for the digression.

I think my ears have burnt a bit over the past year as I have contacted many people 🙂.

They care about good loos which can only be a good thing. They understand how vital they are.

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