Communists promise to fight for Women's single-sex rights

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The Morning Star claims that unions have been wrong to adopt gender identity policies that are harmful to women's rights.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/communists-will-fight-recognition-womens-sex-based-rights-across-trade-unions-party

Waiting for the TRA argument that Morning Star is far right...🙄

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Well Michael Nolan of South Devon branch can go and f**k himself and well done to the rest of the Commmunist Party, you have my vote 👍

If they'd had a candidate in my consituency in the last GE, they'd have had my vote.

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I think they've actually been sound on this for years!

Any logical consideration would view the demands made by trans rights activists as:

1. highly focused on the individual not the community, and
2. strongly supportive of capitalist (unfettered) free markets

I can never understand why the left side of politics think that this ideology has any congruence with their beliefs at all. Well done to the Communist Party for spotting this, and not getting hollowed out like eg the Greens

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This is a logical stance for them to take, to me, however, I think it's really interesting that the communist parties in most the other English speaking parties are not GC.

I'm quite curious about why that is.

Yes I think we have all seen through the years the Morning Star come through a number of times. I am not a student of communist political philosophy but my (vague) understanding is they are materialists and are very historically wedded to a critique of material reality and the actual results of policy in working people's lives.

I wonder what all the trendy middle-class lefty progressives in NYC and Seattle who consider themselves communists, while being rabidly protrans, would think were they to hear these arguments.

“Speakers including Helen O’Connor of Croydon branch and Martin Hall from Manchester discussed the ideological roots of gender identity theory in postmodernism and anti-Marxist idealism that elevates thoughts and feelings above material reality.”

When far left groups like the SWP spout the TWAW mantra, it does seem to contradict their commitment to Marxist materialism. I reckon the SWP know full well that TRA arguments are bullshit but their parasitical strategy means they latch on to any allegedly progressive cause. Fair play to the Communists for their stance although I probably won’t vote for them.

Michael Nolan of South Devon. There's always one, isn't there?🙄
Still, at least he presented an opposing view in the discussion, and his opinion was listened to, noted, and reported.
I take it nobody shouted him down, walked out, or released insects into the room...

The Communist Party and the SDP have stood solidly in support of women's single-sex rights, all the way through the nightmare of recent years. As Dragonasaurus says, it makes sense.

The SDP says The liberal pursuit of individual autonomy and desire must be balanced by the common good. Sex is real and relevant. Women and girls have rights to single sex provisions. Young people deserve to be taught about sex objectively, with robust safeguarding.
https://sdp.org.uk/policies/transgender-and-biological-sex-based-rights/

If a candidate from either party ever stood in my area, I would vote for them without hesitation.

Far left, but far left and far right seem to be very similar! Was Stalin much different to Hitler?

I wonder what all the trendy middle-class lefty progressives in NYC and Seattle who consider themselves communists, while being rabidly protrans, would think were they to hear these arguments.

I've had a discussion with a couple of them online.

They keep calling you 'far right'...even after you've pointed out that you reject gender identity ideology because a Marxist analysis shows that it's rooted in, and born out of, the hyper-individualism and commodification of self that is central to neoliberal capitalism.

They simply refuse to engage with your points and tend to resort to insults (old, ugly, unattractive, lonely... the usual misogyny) or lectures about being kind.

I shared a link to a Morning Star article that contained Marxist analysis almost identical to my own. They refused to read it and claimed that I (and the Morning Star) couldn't be left-wing because "tolerance, progressive thinking and supporting minorities is the literal definition of being left wing" (paraphrased).

They appeared unable to engage in any critical, or Marxist analysis - in fact the whole idea of class analysis seemed alien to them. And they seemed unable to conceive of any form of social organisation other than neoliberal capitalism - to them, left and right is:

Left = social liberalism in a neoliberal capitalist society

Right = social conservatism in a neoliberal capitalist society

Any points of political theory were too much for them, their thinking appeared to be shallow and reactionary - they looked at what 'the other side' said / thought, and simply thought the opposite.

At the end of one conversation, the US liberal accused me (British) of being a coloniser. I pointed out that she was the one living on colonised land, in a colonial country, and is the descendent of colonisers, while I am white, indigenous Brit living in Britain. So my family didn't colonise shit, whereas her and her family... At that point she blocked me. Truth hurts I guess.

Same. Left but not loons. And they're generally pretty conscientious.

the hyper-individualism and commodification of self that is central to neoliberal capitalism

Couldn't agree more. And idiots call this 'left-wing'? You don't even have to go to Marx to figure this out (although you could, it's a way), common-sense ought to be enough?

He killed more communists

Are you sure, Stalin was responsible for the death of 10's of millions of people, they were nothing more than cannon fodder to him.

ThorsRaven - it is astonishing how many North Americans regard themselves as indigenous, which is another thread! It’s also very noticeable that people supporting additional rights for trans people women at the expense of established (sex-based) women’s rights are seldom willing to engage in actual conversation. #nodebate is still in place in so many areas

The CPB Communist congress also debated relations with Your Party deciding to hold off for the moment till it was clear what direction YP was heading. That discussion also included reference to the material reality of sex.

Details in the oh so dramatic Your Party thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5440730-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread-part-2?page=5

This. Exactly. Takes me back to uni days

Same also. Lal salaam comrades!

After sitting on the fence for several years, having initially published some sensible articles, the CPGB/Weekly Worker group (which is separate to the CPB/Morning Star) has collapsed into anti-Marxist transgenderist nonsense.

The CPGB is much smaller than the CPB, but a lot of people read its paper. (It is not the successor of the old CPGB but merely grabbed the name when the previous CPGB dissolved itself.)

In theses adopted by the CPGB's aggregate meeting, the deranged position is put forward that the division between men and women is a Christian dogma imposed by law rather than physical reality.

weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1561/thesis-and-synthesis/

Tankies for TERFs 😆