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Three questions for the government - from The Legal Feminists

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Leafstamp · 15/11/2025 11:08

Three Questions - from the Legal Feminists.

This has arisen as a response to the goings on in the Sara Morrison vs Belfast Film Festival

Sara Morrison vs Belfast Film Festival - Thread 2 | Mumsnet

But question 1 in particular applies more generally.

The questions that the Legal Feminist are asking are these and elaborated on the article linked:

  1. Does the government really accept the Supreme Court’s judgment?
  2. If so, why are its lawyers in court currently putting forward arguments which run contrary to what that judgment says and which were argued before and rejected by the Supreme Court.
  3. Who is responsible for giving the instructions to the government’s lawyers?

THREE QUESTIONS -

I think we could ask our MPs about this - either directly, or ask her/him to write to Bridget Phillipson.

Sara Morrison vs Belfast Film Festival - Thread 2 | Mumsnet

Continuation of previous thread - don’t have all the details to hand to add here, so if someone can pop them on, pls do! Want to get this up quickly!

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5444170-sara-morrison-vs-belfast-film-festival-thread-2

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Leafstamp · 15/11/2025 11:12

There's also a potential template letter here from Ermine aka Stoat on X:

Dear Prime Minister,

Zoe Leventhal KC, representing the Minister for Women and Equalities - ‘neutral’ interveners in the Good Law Project case, argued yesterday that the exclusion of men who call themselves "trans women" in the EHRC guidance is too simplistic so proposed a case-by-case basis instead.

Why is Bridget Phillipson & your government instructing lawyers to argue against the For Women Scotland Supreme Court judgment in a lower court when:
(a) the Supreme Court expressly ruled out case by case assessment & (b) you & the government have stated that you accept the judgment?

You say "the Supreme Court ruling must be implemented in full and at all levels". When will you instruct your cabinet to implement it in full - especially in prisons, the NHS, schools, policy and guidance?

https://x.com/StoatlyL/status/1989281401506771233?s=20

Ermine aka Stoat 🟩⬜️🟪 Courage is contagious 🟥 (@StoatlyL) on X

This is a farce. I have written to the Prime Minister about Bridget Phillipson's counsel arguing against the SC judgment, and when he will issue instructions to his cabinet to comply with the law.

https://x.com/StoatlyL/status/1989281401506771233?s=20

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fanOfBen · 15/11/2025 11:18

This is confusing. Could you explain what this has to do either with the Legal Feminists (ah, ok, the THREE QUESTIONS above is a link to their site where these questions are asked, I'll put it in plain below) or with the Sara Morrison case? (That's very unclear, this seems to be more related to the GLP case.)
https://www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2025/11/14/three-questions/

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/11/2025 11:23

The government seem to be saying one thing in public (Starmer - we must obey the law) while the opposite if they think it won't be noticed (Phillipson)

Note this emerging scandal about a "third party" being able to write emails on behalf of the Cabinet Office openly smearing people protesting about the lack of action as "anti trans":

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5444508-civil-servants-told-womens-rights-protests-were-anti-trans-leak-shows

The cabinet office sits at the heart of government yet they allow transactivists to write emails for them?

Civil servants told women’s rights protests were anti-trans, leak shows | Mumsnet

Article int he Times. How did those outside groups become so embedded in the civil service and how do we end this influence? [[https://www.thetimes.co...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5444508-civil-servants-told-womens-rights-protests-were-anti-trans-leak-shows

Leafstamp · 15/11/2025 12:33

It all stinks doesn't it.

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PinkFootstool · 15/11/2025 12:35

Actually I think this is quite important and an astute line of questioning of the government.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/11/2025 12:37

Leafstamp · 15/11/2025 12:33

It all stinks doesn't it.

Doesn't it just. When you add to it the tsunami of VAWG, the failure of local and national government to deal with the grooming / rape gangs, the insistence that the sex crimes of voyeurism and indecent exposure must be decriminalised for certain men, it's corruption at the highest level.

Leafstamp · 15/11/2025 12:42

Correction to my OP

These questions have arisen as a result of the GLP case not the Sara Morrison case.

Sex Matters intervenes on single-sex services guidance - Sex Matters

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Leafstamp · 15/11/2025 12:49

PinkFootstool · 15/11/2025 12:35

Actually I think this is quite important and an astute line of questioning of the government.

I think we are in agreement. My comment about it stinking was a reference to the stench coming from government - only made worse as explained by @MrsOvertonsWindow

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Keeptoiletssafe · 15/11/2025 12:49

The 3 options for toilets:

Legislation and Building Regulations are based upon health, safety and welfare. It was inconceivable at the time of their implementation, that barristers would now be arguing people had rights to use the toilets for the opposite sex.

Single sex toilets and mixed sex toilets are not the same designs. If you go for a ‘case by case’ basis, you are left with only 2 options.

Government now needs to make a choice out of 3:

  1. Both sexes are allowed in a toilet cubicle or toilet room, so the design of each has to be rebuilt to a mixed sex design. This means scrapping single sex provision, variations of which are most of the toilet provision in the country. Designs C and D in Document T (2024) are no more. This is huge in economic terms. You have to have separate rooms, fully private and sound resistant, with sinks, mirrors, and a hand drying system inside. There may be less provision overall due to space and the fact it takes longer in occupant turnover. On the plus side, women exclude from these designs, so men won’t have to wait as long.
  1. Both sexes are allowed in all toilets but to keep provision as it is and ‘just’ change Health and Safety legislation and Building Regulation on toilets. Risk assessments would have to be ignored as currently mixed sex designs are completely private to prevent voyeurism. What to do about urinals? Parts of the Sexual Offences Act (2003) would also need to be looked at carefully as they may be unworkable in their current form.
  1. Keep single sex provision the main provision, as in Document T. Even though I have proof of Stonewall skewing the analysis and consultation, this was still the verdict reached in 2024. Although Document T now doesn’t specifically mention door gaps, HSE confirms they can have them. There’s a long story involving transactivists about that. HSE confirms Universal designs can not have door gaps.

Why abolish safer single sex designs which can have door gaps for:
health (ventilation & easier cleaning, so less pathogens)
safety (supervision in case of medical emergencies and assaults)
prevention of misuse (inc vandalism, sex and drugs)?

Indeed at the time of The Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992, the relevant Building Regulations for toilets BS6465 (1984 version), were stating that ‘….where a range of WCs is provided, each in a separate cubicle within a single room, e.g. in schools, offices, factories, public buildings and public conveniences, it simplifies ventilation, cleaning and, to some extent, supervision and prevention of wilful misuse, if the cubicle walls terminate above the floor as well as below the ceiling. These advantages are gained only at the expense of a certain degree of privacy. Where cubicles are used, the whole room in which they are situated may be regarded as a single unit for the purposes of ventilation.
Where partition walls and doors of WC cubicles are kept clear of the floor, the clearance should be not less than 100 mm and not more than 150 mm. Partitions and doors that terminate below ceiling level should be not less than 2 m in height from the floor.’

Based on my research, there’s a case that Option 1 is detrimental to sex (assaults on women, collapse due to endometriosis/pregnancy), disabilities (epilepsy, diabetes, heart conditions due to collapse risks esp. cardiac arrest where 11% happen on the toilet), religion (exclude those who do not use mixed sex facilities), age (frailty and collapse eg stroke risk in elderly; assaults on children) and pregnancy (risks of miscarriage/ collapse). The demographic it is least dangerous for is a healthy man.

Option 2 is most favoured by men that want to use the women’s toilets. They are less likely to prefer mixed sex design.

Which option will the Government choose?

moto748e · 15/11/2025 13:41

Three very good questions. I'd ask them of my MP, but.... 😀

Dragonasaurus · 15/11/2025 14:00

I wonder if, for anyone writing to the PM, it’s worth (blind?) copying in Badenoch - we know she’s firmly on the side of women here, and it would give her some ammunition to bring this up if she knew that Starmer had received a lot of letters asking about this

PerformativeBewilderment · 15/11/2025 16:18

Who to send this to if your MP is a Lib Dem marzipan dildo? Hypothetically speaking, of course

PinkFootstool · 15/11/2025 17:31

Dunno but I'm cackling at "marzipan dildo" 😂.

Keeptoiletssafe · 15/11/2025 17:35

Darn it 1,2 and 3 came out as 1,1,1 in my last post. Obviously my phones fault, not the wine.

PerformativeBewilderment · 15/11/2025 17:36

@PinkFootstool sadly not my own phrase. It’s a Malcolm Tucker-ism, always loved it

NotAtMyAge · 15/11/2025 18:08

PerformativeBewilderment · 15/11/2025 16:18

Who to send this to if your MP is a Lib Dem marzipan dildo? Hypothetically speaking, of course

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Or a very left-wing Labour trans sympathiser who never answers letters and presumably never acts on them either?

Talkinpeace · 15/11/2025 18:12

Legal Feminists are brill

Seriestwo · 16/11/2025 22:46

It is all so ridiculous. Everygone knows what sex is. Everyone

moto748e · 16/11/2025 23:03

Not least, Tom Daley.

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