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WorriedMutha · 12/11/2025 09:46

I was about to say Matthew D'Ancona is really on the ball with this and the two Matts are a good listen. Alastair is like the proverbial bloke in a pub. He dismissed the whole GC/JKR stuff ages ago by saying he took advice on women's issues from his wife and daughter and he was on the side of the angels. His daughter is a stand up comic and full on twaw useful idiot. I doubt Alastair takes advice from anyone on anything and can barely stifle his yawns when this crops up. I will report back if it surfaces from outside the fandom at TRIP live.

HagsRule · 12/11/2025 09:47

Datun · 12/11/2025 08:55

Wow, I knew they were bad that's absolutely shocking.

No wonder it's come to a head.

You can't get away with that kind of hopelessly biased reporting indefinitely.

The sexual nature of the entire issue is very obvious, too.

This man dresses as a baby girl and wears nappies. He goes into local primary schools to 'teach children about autism' and tries to have one-to-one sessions with them. Despite the obvious red flags, the BBC profiled and promoted him

A BBC presenter launched a project in which she distributed badges, saying 'Safe With Me', in schools, for children to wear in public places. The badges signify to any 'trans people' nearby that the child will escort them to a toilet

Ffs. You have live in a cave not to imagine how paedophiles will flock to a loophole that says kids can take you to the toilet, or you can be one-to-one with them while wearing a nappy.

And it's far too consistent, and far too prevalent, for one not to conclude that it's not ignorance, but depravity.

These examples really, really shocked me too. No wonder the Chair of children in need resigned although that was for a different, but sadly related reason of the funding to LGBT Youth Scotland I've already mentioned.

Edited for more context.

Lalgarh · 12/11/2025 09:52

A BBC presenter launched a project in which she distributed badges, saying 'Safe With Me', in schools, for children to wear in public places. The badges signify to any 'trans people' nearby that the child will escort them to a toilet

What. The Absolute. FUCK?

HagsRule · 12/11/2025 09:56

Lalgarh · 12/11/2025 09:52

A BBC presenter launched a project in which she distributed badges, saying 'Safe With Me', in schools, for children to wear in public places. The badges signify to any 'trans people' nearby that the child will escort them to a toilet

What. The Absolute. FUCK?

I know, as well as the nappy one, that story was shocking. It's unclear if this presenter was being sinister or is just really naive.

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2025 09:57

I always say this about the media (yes you can check this if so inclined, its not just restricted to this subject) - don't just look at what they DO say, also look at the massive gaps and silences about what they DON'T say.

These gaps either reveal something not being released by authorities or gatekeeping by the media outlet. You have to ask the questions, 'why?' and 'who?' as this often tells you more about the story.

Some times these decisions have very important and valid reasons about why they have been ommitted. Some times less so.

On this subject, one of the constant comments is that the public aren't interested and its a niche subject. This doesn't hold up when you are then putting out a huge number of frankly brain dead puff piece drag queen stories. There is definitely a huge demand for these stories - we know this because the Daily Mail started to realise this and started to cover them. Not to mention we know several of these pro-trans programmes have been absoluete ratings turkeys.

Then the other argument is that these stories are negative about transpeople. Again this is actually bias and doesn't hold up. Many of these stories are simply about women wanting privacy and dignity and a space to talk about bodily things with others who know without being mansplained to or feeling embarassed - its actually weirdly TRAs who then go nuts and start wanging on about how they are treated like rapists when they just want to pee. We see it on MN, how the focus gets changes from being centred on these basic and fair women's needs to a sudden guilt trip and accusations of 'phobia' when no one in that particular conversation has even mentioned anything to do with sexually inappropriate behaviour.

Then theres the stories about trans people which are negative which are shoved under the carpet completely because they don't fit with the narrative of the most oppressed and vulnerable because theres more vulnerable victims. And to cap it off the pronouns - omg the pronouns - which NOTE the INDEPENDENT CASS REVIEW stated were not neutral and were a political decision, ESPECIALLY, in cases where there is a legal case and the judge is using male pronouns or has given permission for victims to use male pronouns. This is NOT ok. Other examples include where someone trans has stated they don't care about pronouns and the BBC defaults to pro-trans pronouns and names.

Never mind the wording of headlines. Its always 'anti-trans' never 'pro-woman' or 'pro-lesbian' etc etc.

Never mind who they've gone out of their way to platform - and gone out of their way to not platform. You can go through the list of rent-a-gobs and find the majority deeply problematic and if they were a straight male they would not be touched. But women who have fought against a lot of this? Na, they are persona non grata, and have been for years with no efforts even post CASS or post SC to change this, because they might say something 'controversial' eg males are still males even if they transition and the presenter might implode because their BBC training does not compute at this point.

Then theres the whole fiasco which is on record about just how hard it was for Newsnight - which some of the very best journalists in the country - to break the Tavistock scandal. Which lead to some of those journalists leaving the BBC as a direct result. This if nothing else should have been a massive red flag that the BBC was failing in its commitment to hard investigative journalism. This ISN'T outsiders with a political agenda to grind saying the BBC has a problem. This is some of the most professional and respected journalists in the country (if not the world) saying 'Hang on, this really shouldn't have been this hard. This is totally fucked up and the BBC has a bias problem.'

These clowns that have quit who have said there is no problem with bias and have tried to ignore that this is an area of concern even now, are fucking delusional.

There is no fucking way they are going to convince me differently without a massive wholesale change in editiorial decision making. Right now their gatekeeping is fucked and untenable. It is not ok. It doesn't reflect the general public. It doesn't reflect the law. And they hide behind guidelines when they don't even cover that area or are at odds with journalist integrity.

Martine Croxall was the absoluete final straw for me.

Lalgarh · 12/11/2025 10:03

WorriedMutha · 12/11/2025 09:46

I was about to say Matthew D'Ancona is really on the ball with this and the two Matts are a good listen. Alastair is like the proverbial bloke in a pub. He dismissed the whole GC/JKR stuff ages ago by saying he took advice on women's issues from his wife and daughter and he was on the side of the angels. His daughter is a stand up comic and full on twaw useful idiot. I doubt Alastair takes advice from anyone on anything and can barely stifle his yawns when this crops up. I will report back if it surfaces from outside the fandom at TRIP live.

Yes 2 notes from Twitter on this:

I posted on another thread from this guy who noted quite a lot of media folk have children who self ID or like Campbell are self styled activists they fear losing contact with, which informs this reaction. David Aaronovitch mentioned that many accepted this "on good faith".

Also this: the ppl working in these media are all urban graduates who would see GC as far to the right of anything they have been socialised into. Also the fact they were able to intern because of Contacts and subsist on a pittance unlike others without, and you have groupthink

https://nitter.net/BrianSpanner1/status/1988229055733547280#m

Frankly on that list, the respecting of rapist's preferred pronouns should be first. Let alone the fact they didn't explicitly explain why they were doing such. Whenever they run stories about self harm or suicide they have a link to the Samaritans. When they choose to mention a pronoun person they should link to editorial guidelines or have a preface to why they are doing as such

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/11/2025 10:16

AuntMunca · 12/11/2025 09:44

Yes, I remember watching a programme about the making of University Challenge which explained that it wasn't necessarily the 'brainiest' teams which were selected. So, although the BBC/production company don't choose the team members, they do choose which teams compete - and on a subjective basis.

Christ on a bike. Another illusion shattered.

FarriersGirl · 12/11/2025 10:31

Thanks for posting this - the production companies have quite a bit of discretion in choosing contestants for most programmes so the choice of trans participants will be deliberate. As for the BBC, the chairman yesterday was trying to claim that they mainly stick to their standards on trans issues. If that is even half true, then the standards are so hopelessly infected with bias they need to be shredded immediately.

Cordeliasdemonbabies · 12/11/2025 10:44

I listened to the News Agent podcast on the bbc story and they were very defensive on this basically being a right wing stitch up EXCEPT for the trans bias which they fully accepted. Emily Maitless said the Newsnight expose that got the Tavistock shut down was extremely hard to get approval for and was treated as radioactive within the bbc newsroom. Barely covered outside of Newsnight despite being a massive coup.

Lewis Goodall wasn't on that episode interestingly as I think he is still more TWAW than EM and Jon Sopel.

The latest episode of SEEN in journalism is very interesting for a more in depth analysis on the trans side.

whatwouldafeministdo · 12/11/2025 10:45

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2025 09:57

I always say this about the media (yes you can check this if so inclined, its not just restricted to this subject) - don't just look at what they DO say, also look at the massive gaps and silences about what they DON'T say.

These gaps either reveal something not being released by authorities or gatekeeping by the media outlet. You have to ask the questions, 'why?' and 'who?' as this often tells you more about the story.

Some times these decisions have very important and valid reasons about why they have been ommitted. Some times less so.

On this subject, one of the constant comments is that the public aren't interested and its a niche subject. This doesn't hold up when you are then putting out a huge number of frankly brain dead puff piece drag queen stories. There is definitely a huge demand for these stories - we know this because the Daily Mail started to realise this and started to cover them. Not to mention we know several of these pro-trans programmes have been absoluete ratings turkeys.

Then the other argument is that these stories are negative about transpeople. Again this is actually bias and doesn't hold up. Many of these stories are simply about women wanting privacy and dignity and a space to talk about bodily things with others who know without being mansplained to or feeling embarassed - its actually weirdly TRAs who then go nuts and start wanging on about how they are treated like rapists when they just want to pee. We see it on MN, how the focus gets changes from being centred on these basic and fair women's needs to a sudden guilt trip and accusations of 'phobia' when no one in that particular conversation has even mentioned anything to do with sexually inappropriate behaviour.

Then theres the stories about trans people which are negative which are shoved under the carpet completely because they don't fit with the narrative of the most oppressed and vulnerable because theres more vulnerable victims. And to cap it off the pronouns - omg the pronouns - which NOTE the INDEPENDENT CASS REVIEW stated were not neutral and were a political decision, ESPECIALLY, in cases where there is a legal case and the judge is using male pronouns or has given permission for victims to use male pronouns. This is NOT ok. Other examples include where someone trans has stated they don't care about pronouns and the BBC defaults to pro-trans pronouns and names.

Never mind the wording of headlines. Its always 'anti-trans' never 'pro-woman' or 'pro-lesbian' etc etc.

Never mind who they've gone out of their way to platform - and gone out of their way to not platform. You can go through the list of rent-a-gobs and find the majority deeply problematic and if they were a straight male they would not be touched. But women who have fought against a lot of this? Na, they are persona non grata, and have been for years with no efforts even post CASS or post SC to change this, because they might say something 'controversial' eg males are still males even if they transition and the presenter might implode because their BBC training does not compute at this point.

Then theres the whole fiasco which is on record about just how hard it was for Newsnight - which some of the very best journalists in the country - to break the Tavistock scandal. Which lead to some of those journalists leaving the BBC as a direct result. This if nothing else should have been a massive red flag that the BBC was failing in its commitment to hard investigative journalism. This ISN'T outsiders with a political agenda to grind saying the BBC has a problem. This is some of the most professional and respected journalists in the country (if not the world) saying 'Hang on, this really shouldn't have been this hard. This is totally fucked up and the BBC has a bias problem.'

These clowns that have quit who have said there is no problem with bias and have tried to ignore that this is an area of concern even now, are fucking delusional.

There is no fucking way they are going to convince me differently without a massive wholesale change in editiorial decision making. Right now their gatekeeping is fucked and untenable. It is not ok. It doesn't reflect the general public. It doesn't reflect the law. And they hide behind guidelines when they don't even cover that area or are at odds with journalist integrity.

Martine Croxall was the absoluete final straw for me.

Great post.

I'd also add, they ignore women complaining about bias (like calling rapists and murderers who are men 'she') they ignore the impact on victims of crime of pandering to the criminal's inner identity, and it's very largely trans identified male people who get airtime, not those who are biologically female. Funny that.

Spot on - they ignore the law, public opinion and their own charter.

They are pretty much a campaigning organisation on trans issues (and I suspect on other issues like Trump derangement syndrome and the war in the middle east - but I have looked at less evidence personally about those issues ). They're so biased I don't think there's any way back because there's been a wholescale Ministry of Truth brainwashing within rank and file journalists, producers, writers etc. All those who retained some journalistic integrity, like Hannah Barnes, have left.

Edited to add: It's not easy to dismantle the culture of a workplace where speaking the truth is not allowed and saying 'trans women are men' would immediately mean being forced out in some way or another - or in Martine Croxall's case being accused of 'facecrime'. Many people will be so scared and so full of cognitive dissonance they will simply not be able to to go back to truthful reporting on this topic.

Peregrina · 12/11/2025 10:59

I was about to say Matthew D'Ancona is really on the ball with this and the two Matts are a good listen.

Yes, as soon as the Supreme Court judgement came out the New European had a very positive article by him about it. And they published my letter the following week, thanking them for doing this.

Of course, for balance they had to have a few weepy letters from the trans activists, but on the whole, it's been one of the better media outlets.

Peregrina · 12/11/2025 11:09

As far as Only Connect and University Challenge are concerned - as soon as they feature a man trying to identify as a woman I reach for the off button. I am just not prepared to watch them.

whatwouldafeministdo · 12/11/2025 11:21

I mean it's a bit like putting up an electric fence to keep animals out of an area (humans are animals) - they soon learn to avoid it. It becomes instinctive and after a while you could replace the fence and as long as the animals are the same, they'd avoid it the same.

Trans has been like this - the consequences of speaking the truth have been so severe for so long, most people instinctively avoid it and go along with lies. It'd take a lot for people to actually believe they weren't going to be punished, labelled 'far right', socially shunned etc for simply stating facts and I can't see it happening in the BBC. You can't turn the culture around so quickly.

SidewaysOtter · 12/11/2025 11:40

WorriedMutha · 12/11/2025 09:46

I was about to say Matthew D'Ancona is really on the ball with this and the two Matts are a good listen. Alastair is like the proverbial bloke in a pub. He dismissed the whole GC/JKR stuff ages ago by saying he took advice on women's issues from his wife and daughter and he was on the side of the angels. His daughter is a stand up comic and full on twaw useful idiot. I doubt Alastair takes advice from anyone on anything and can barely stifle his yawns when this crops up. I will report back if it surfaces from outside the fandom at TRIP live.

Alistair (which my phone autocarroted to “Blister”, which seems remarkably fitting) does not get women’s issues. Women are just non-men who - entirely inexplicably - behave and think differently from men and can therefore be disregarded.

He’s also one of the “so open minded their brains fell out” cohort who think that a) everything they don’t like is right-wing and therefore inherently wrong and b) the ends justify the means when it comes to protecting the views, policies and organisations he believes to be good and correct.

I thought he was a dick before and this has not improved my opinion of him. I give TRIP a wide berth, TRIH is far more intelligent and entertaining.

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2025 11:49

whatwouldafeministdo · 12/11/2025 10:45

Great post.

I'd also add, they ignore women complaining about bias (like calling rapists and murderers who are men 'she') they ignore the impact on victims of crime of pandering to the criminal's inner identity, and it's very largely trans identified male people who get airtime, not those who are biologically female. Funny that.

Spot on - they ignore the law, public opinion and their own charter.

They are pretty much a campaigning organisation on trans issues (and I suspect on other issues like Trump derangement syndrome and the war in the middle east - but I have looked at less evidence personally about those issues ). They're so biased I don't think there's any way back because there's been a wholescale Ministry of Truth brainwashing within rank and file journalists, producers, writers etc. All those who retained some journalistic integrity, like Hannah Barnes, have left.

Edited to add: It's not easy to dismantle the culture of a workplace where speaking the truth is not allowed and saying 'trans women are men' would immediately mean being forced out in some way or another - or in Martine Croxall's case being accused of 'facecrime'. Many people will be so scared and so full of cognitive dissonance they will simply not be able to to go back to truthful reporting on this topic.

Edited

The Croxall thing is problematic because the default from the BBC was 'people'. It never should have been.

That is bias there in a nutshell. It's not normal everyday use of language which the BBC should aim form. It is activist language with the aim of inclusion. That's political. The language the BBC use should be common every day language.

Not only this but it's sexist and erases women And women's issues. There is no similar parallel with the use of the word man.

Croxall then got shit for correcting this and 'pulling a face'. Again not ok. She shouldn't have been put in this position.

Hypercatalectic · 12/11/2025 12:00

did anyone watch News at 10 on the BBC last night? A report on the Darlington nurses’ employment tribunal that dispassionately spelled out the issue, including saying ‘Rose, a biological male who identifies as a woman’ several times. And they actually showed video footage of him!
I had to pick my jaw up off the floor - there is absolutely no way that would have been delivered in that way this time last week - it hasn’t even been covered until now.
Things can change very fast when someone higher up the tree says ‘sort this shit out’

Justwrong68 · 12/11/2025 12:05

Supporterofwomensrights · 11/11/2025 22:54

If anyone wants to see Alistair Campbell grapple with the claim that the BBC has a 'pro trans agenda' then see here: https://www.thenewworld.co.uk/alastair-campbell-the-malign-right-cant-be-allowed-to-destroy-the-bbc/

I apologise now for how long it will take you to read all the nuance and deep insight he displays on the subject.

He manages to miss that it's possible for there to be a right-wing conspiracy to bring down the BBC (and the NHS) AND for both those organisations to have completely lost their minds on something a 4-year-old could have helped them with.

Edit: typo

Edited

It’s driving me mad that intelligent people who work in the media are calling it the “Panorama mistake”. A heavyweight documentary like that passes through teams of producers and lawyers, if that was a mistake it was a monumental howler.

dogtraveller · 12/11/2025 12:07

Hypercatalectic · 12/11/2025 12:00

did anyone watch News at 10 on the BBC last night? A report on the Darlington nurses’ employment tribunal that dispassionately spelled out the issue, including saying ‘Rose, a biological male who identifies as a woman’ several times. And they actually showed video footage of him!
I had to pick my jaw up off the floor - there is absolutely no way that would have been delivered in that way this time last week - it hasn’t even been covered until now.
Things can change very fast when someone higher up the tree says ‘sort this shit out’

Yes and on R4 6pm news yesterday 😮

ArabellaSaurus · 12/11/2025 12:11

Justwrong68 · 12/11/2025 12:05

It’s driving me mad that intelligent people who work in the media are calling it the “Panorama mistake”. A heavyweight documentary like that passes through teams of producers and lawyers, if that was a mistake it was a monumental howler.

'Oopsy, we fumbled and accidentally attempted to influence the election of the most powerful politician in the world. No harm no foul, right?'

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ArabellaSaurus · 12/11/2025 12:14

Hypercatalectic · 12/11/2025 12:00

did anyone watch News at 10 on the BBC last night? A report on the Darlington nurses’ employment tribunal that dispassionately spelled out the issue, including saying ‘Rose, a biological male who identifies as a woman’ several times. And they actually showed video footage of him!
I had to pick my jaw up off the floor - there is absolutely no way that would have been delivered in that way this time last week - it hasn’t even been covered until now.
Things can change very fast when someone higher up the tree says ‘sort this shit out’

Sorry to be pedantic, but it was reported exactly like this on the 4th of November:

'Rose Henderson, a biological male who identifies as a woman.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dr0geyp1mo

Rose Henderson arrives at the tribunal. Rose has long blonde hair, glasses and is wearing a black and white stripey dress.

Darlington trans medic used female changing room for years

Rose Henderson felt within her rights to use the Darlington hospital facility, a tribunal is told.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dr0geyp1mo

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AMillionMugsNoTeabags · 12/11/2025 12:33

DuchessofReality · 11/11/2025 22:25

Depressing list. However I don’t think the BBC are to blame for the composition of University Challenge teams, I think the Universities/Colleges can pick who they like. And I agree with that. And I wouldn’t have a problem with an all-transwomen team if that was who the University thought would do best.

Sorry to not have RTFT before responding but, within certain bounds, the BBC absolutely do pick the university challenge teams.

When I was in the UC team for my uni (< 10 yrs ago) both uni UC teams were invited to Manchester to audition - each uni could apply with 2 teams. The 2 teams we sent had been selected carefully, mix of men and women, mix of subjects, mix of UG/PG/mature and the best 8 quizzers.

Throughout the audition day, which consisted of quizzes and interviews, the production team repeatedly said that the selection wasn’t on the basis of “highest score” but on the basis of “best TV”.

Obv we knew only one team from our uni max would make it through. But to our surprise, when the selection came through, as decided by the production team on the basis of “best TV” it wasn’t either team we’d put up, it was all the men from team A and the man from team B and all scientists.

LilySad91 · 12/11/2025 12:49

An amazing thread, thanks OP

ArabellaSaurus · 12/11/2025 12:56

Hypercatalectic · 12/11/2025 12:00

did anyone watch News at 10 on the BBC last night? A report on the Darlington nurses’ employment tribunal that dispassionately spelled out the issue, including saying ‘Rose, a biological male who identifies as a woman’ several times. And they actually showed video footage of him!
I had to pick my jaw up off the floor - there is absolutely no way that would have been delivered in that way this time last week - it hasn’t even been covered until now.
Things can change very fast when someone higher up the tree says ‘sort this shit out’

Just found the footage you mention.

The editing is very clear and factual.

The footage of Big Rose clomping along and clambering into the back of a car, with bald patch, tattoos, and a man's lumbering gait, is also very instructive.

And noting that he was accused of staring at colleagues and intimidating female nurses is also clear and factual.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/11/2025 13:19

AMillionMugsNoTeabags · 12/11/2025 12:33

Sorry to not have RTFT before responding but, within certain bounds, the BBC absolutely do pick the university challenge teams.

When I was in the UC team for my uni (< 10 yrs ago) both uni UC teams were invited to Manchester to audition - each uni could apply with 2 teams. The 2 teams we sent had been selected carefully, mix of men and women, mix of subjects, mix of UG/PG/mature and the best 8 quizzers.

Throughout the audition day, which consisted of quizzes and interviews, the production team repeatedly said that the selection wasn’t on the basis of “highest score” but on the basis of “best TV”.

Obv we knew only one team from our uni max would make it through. But to our surprise, when the selection came through, as decided by the production team on the basis of “best TV” it wasn’t either team we’d put up, it was all the men from team A and the man from team B and all scientists.

Good grief. I don't normally think of myself as a credulous and naive person, but I absolutely took it for granted that University Challenge worked like this:

Invitation goes out to universities and all the Oxbridge colleges
Each institution attempts (or doesn't) to recruit a team
The team sits some sort of test
The ones that score best go forward to the recordings.

Surely it did work like this in the days of Bamber Gascoigne? <clutches straws>

DuchessofReality · 12/11/2025 13:25

AMillionMugsNoTeabags · 12/11/2025 12:33

Sorry to not have RTFT before responding but, within certain bounds, the BBC absolutely do pick the university challenge teams.

When I was in the UC team for my uni (< 10 yrs ago) both uni UC teams were invited to Manchester to audition - each uni could apply with 2 teams. The 2 teams we sent had been selected carefully, mix of men and women, mix of subjects, mix of UG/PG/mature and the best 8 quizzers.

Throughout the audition day, which consisted of quizzes and interviews, the production team repeatedly said that the selection wasn’t on the basis of “highest score” but on the basis of “best TV”.

Obv we knew only one team from our uni max would make it through. But to our surprise, when the selection came through, as decided by the production team on the basis of “best TV” it wasn’t either team we’d put up, it was all the men from team A and the man from team B and all scientists.

I stand corrected.