Criticism of Islam is a protected belief

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I wasn't able to find the judgment. There'll be a hearing in February but it's not clear to me whether claimant's beliefs have already been tested for Grainger compliance. Either way, the tribunal will (also) have to address objectionable manifestation (Bananarama doctrine).

I've raised it here because of the parallels with Forstater. It's a constant refrain of TRAs that permitting Forstater belief is tantamount to attacking GR as a protected characteristic. They do not understand secularism (or the SC ruling).

Of course the situation is not the same insofar as Islam has not been written into our law and Muslims don't expect the rest of us to follow its rules.

Article 9, anyone?

And yet the abortion laws have just been relaxed. We are in the UK talking about UK laws and the protection of UK citizens to criticise religion. Why the need to drag America into the discussion? We are not America.

Do you have anything to say about practises in Afghanistan or similar?

Which Christians do you know?

I have something to say about all of these countries. Not just the Muslim ones.

One that go to church and would disown their heterosexual kid for sex outside marriage, let alone a child who wants to have homosexual relationships.

Because it is the West and Christian and more likely to influence our societal attitudes than what happens in DownTown Kabul.

Is it entirely comparable to you?

I can easily decide between Afghanistan and other western countries as a place to raise dd /dc. How about you?

You may want to check those "facts". Also it's generally considered more accurate to use BCE than BC. For all sorts of reasons unsuited to this thread.

Afghanistan VS US is pretty equally no for me for very similar reasons.

Yet.

Lucky you’re here typing on mn rather than Afghanistan where you’d face a whole range of censure, including no voice on or offline.

Surely, the attempt to remove Christian influence over the dating systems (though still keeping it but simply changing the name to pretend it isn’t relevant) is relevant to this thread?

I am also not in the US. If I was, I would be infinitely more likely to be born into an ultra religious Christian family and not even been allowed to wear jeans.

As opposed to the UK where you could have been born into a Muslim family and made to wear the Burkha?

You what now? Have you been to the US?

Time will tell whether or not the recent liberalisation of abortion laws will re politicise the issue. I hope not. 🤞

The fact that we can post and other women and girls in Afghanistan/ similar most certainly can’t let alone do a whole range of other every day things means there’s no sense in the word phobia.

So very extreme Protestants, then. Which denomination?

Yes. I have family there. They're part of a Christian religion where women cannot wear trousers and homosexuality and abortion are seen as sins. They live in a place where there are lots of people just like them.

Many different denominations in the UK.

Possibly.

But posters who blithely sail in and post "facts" with such crass (I am guessing) mixups between BC(E) and AD(CE) probably don't have much to add to the sum of human knowledge.

And the point about making "AD" "CE" rather underscores that "The West" as a construct is utterly inseparable from the millennium and a half influence of Christianity.

Anyone born in "The West" today is born into a culture that cannot shake of it's origins in Christianity. You only have to look at the weird weird world of the pre Christians to get a sense of the revolutionary transformation in thinking it engenders.

You can look it up on the Ifop website. It's practicing Catholics (and practicing Muslims). Next strawman?

And I'd love to know which countries you define as Catholic countries and Muslim countries, respectively, so that we can compare and contrast their law with respect to the rights of women, single mothers and homosexuals.
Hint: even the Vatican (which is tiny and mostly populated by clergy) does not have the death penalty for homosexual relationship, blasphemy or adultery. Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan do.

You mean you don’t know.

Because you’re basing your image of UK Christianity on a very conservative group of US Pentecostals (or they could be independent Baptists) who barely make up 1% of the US population.

Between 1990 and 2010, TRAs ruthlessly lobbied via the courts and Parliament, and the people with locus standi against them (women, gays and lesbians, worried medics, educationalists, and criminologists) weren't heard because they didn't realise what was really happening. But things will surely play out differently in relation to Muslims, because they are both visible and unpopular.

Firstly aren’t you lucky to be in the UK, not suffering the extremes of Afghanistan and not beholden to this.

Secondly I know which I’d choose still. I mean here first obviously compared to that small group. But definitely not what women and girls are experiencing under huge censure, silencing and worse in Afghanistan and similar.

Stoning is now lawful for example.