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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Anti-contraception forces

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PermanentTemporary · 09/11/2025 15:45

Maybe this is an experimental thread… to see what comes up.

Anyway, in the US there are forces pushing back against women having genuine evidence-based control of fertility, by tapping into reasonable dislike of having to be on hormones for 30 years or so. When people are described as ‘pro-natalist’, this is what it means - women having less ability to control their own fertility. However glossy the images, that’s what it’s about.
NYT article about MAHA fertility nutters here

Since when America sneezes on social media, the UK catches a cold, has anyone seen suggestions of this over here? I mean, apart from Farage suddenly coming out with anti-abortion rhetoric.

Samantha Kopy teaches a virtual class on natural family planning methods.

The MAHA-Fueled Rise of Natural Family Planning

A growing coalition of conservatives are speaking out against hormonal birth control, while promoting a more “natural” alternative.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/09/us/politics/maha-natural-family-planning.html?referringSource=articleShare&smid=nytcore-ios-share

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Lovelyview · 09/11/2025 16:05

Well the feminists are much better organised now. I think in the US it's very tied up with their history (manifest destiny) and the strength of Christianity there. Do you think there's a belief festering under the anti-immigration rhetoric in the UK that white people should be having more babies? I can't see the idea of restricting contraception gaining any traction. It benefits men too much.

nicepotoftea · 09/11/2025 16:11

Lovelyview · 09/11/2025 16:05

Well the feminists are much better organised now. I think in the US it's very tied up with their history (manifest destiny) and the strength of Christianity there. Do you think there's a belief festering under the anti-immigration rhetoric in the UK that white people should be having more babies? I can't see the idea of restricting contraception gaining any traction. It benefits men too much.

I think it already has traction in some religious communities in the US. However, that kind of religion has never really taken off in the UK.

Grammarnut · 09/11/2025 18:19

Lovelyview · 09/11/2025 16:05

Well the feminists are much better organised now. I think in the US it's very tied up with their history (manifest destiny) and the strength of Christianity there. Do you think there's a belief festering under the anti-immigration rhetoric in the UK that white people should be having more babies? I can't see the idea of restricting contraception gaining any traction. It benefits men too much.

Yes, contraception benefits men. Which is one reason women should think very carefully about sex and relationships and how contraception (and abortion - now up until birth in the UK with no public debate on it) advantage men and disadvantage women, particularly in seeing women as being for men's use without obligation. Sex is a connective, as close as you can ever get to another person. That it has become a recreational pastime is one symptom of our fractured society.

Lovelyview · 09/11/2025 20:58

Grammarnut · 09/11/2025 18:19

Yes, contraception benefits men. Which is one reason women should think very carefully about sex and relationships and how contraception (and abortion - now up until birth in the UK with no public debate on it) advantage men and disadvantage women, particularly in seeing women as being for men's use without obligation. Sex is a connective, as close as you can ever get to another person. That it has become a recreational pastime is one symptom of our fractured society.

I think contraception allows women control both in relationships and outside them if that's what they want. My husband is one of nine children from a Catholic family. His siblings range from having none to three children (we have two) No-one was keen to keep on having kids even the ones who still go to church. I was actually sterilised after my second child as I knew I didn't want any more and I wanted to keep having sex with my husband without worrying about contraception. I'm very grateful I had that choice

Howseitgoin · 10/11/2025 02:33

The Great White Replacement Theory has certainly been doing the rounds globally including the UK where white nationalists are hyper concerned about being replaced by immigrants & their offspring. Western countries have been at negative birth replacement rates for some time which necessitates immigrants to maintain economic growth & services. All of which means for the far right that 'white women' need to 'step up' with contraception being the culprit for them not 'doing their national duty' for maintaining the white majority. Whilst its not at the point yet of the US where ideology becomes policy, it's important to realise the risks before its too late. You just never know the full consequences of who & what a political party whose main agenda is white hegemony might impose on women. While Trump was seen as a potential threat to democracy, noone ever imagined he would go as far as he has.

All this is to say, vote Reform at your own peril.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_theory

Grammarnut · 10/11/2025 08:10

Lovelyview · 09/11/2025 20:58

I think contraception allows women control both in relationships and outside them if that's what they want. My husband is one of nine children from a Catholic family. His siblings range from having none to three children (we have two) No-one was keen to keep on having kids even the ones who still go to church. I was actually sterilised after my second child as I knew I didn't want any more and I wanted to keep having sex with my husband without worrying about contraception. I'm very grateful I had that choice

Well, yes it benefits women in that way. But it has also fuelled the attitude that sex is only for fun and you can have it anytime and anywhere and that there is no good reason to say you won't (because the woman won't get pregnant). This leads women (and men) into a place where relationships are fragmented since the bonding that sex makes between any couple is forgotten. When we turned sex into the same as having an icecream or going to the cinema we massively damaged our abilities to keep up relationships. And men have no responsibility here - why did your DH not have a vasectomy, for instance, far less invasive than sterilizaton for a woman.
Contraception has become women's responsibility whether they want it or not and men can carry on as ever.

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