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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
ItsCoolForCats · 04/11/2025 08:36

I read that earlier. It only references immigration, but if they are open to amending article 8, will this also impact gender recognition? Or could they change it in such a way that it wouldn't?

My take from the article is that the Council of Europe is very aware of the discontent felt in many European countries about the European convention of human rights, and I hope this will prevent further overreach, such as we have seen recently from Michael O'Flaherty, whose intervention went down with Shabana Mahmood like a lead balloon.

Hoardasurass · 04/11/2025 09:24

ItsCoolForCats · 04/11/2025 08:36

I read that earlier. It only references immigration, but if they are open to amending article 8, will this also impact gender recognition? Or could they change it in such a way that it wouldn't?

My take from the article is that the Council of Europe is very aware of the discontent felt in many European countries about the European convention of human rights, and I hope this will prevent further overreach, such as we have seen recently from Michael O'Flaherty, whose intervention went down with Shabana Mahmood like a lead balloon.

If they change article 8 then it will impact on gender recognition (though Goodwin was a bad judgement that didn't take into account everyone else's article 8 rights). I say this because the only way to change it to prevent the outrageous misuse of it that immigration crts are is to clearly define what is and isn't a right to family life and private life, and when that effects other people, their rights and safety.
The thing is the human rights act isn't the problem, the problem is with how activist judges have chosen to interpret it and they've gone so far off course that its unrecognisable from what was written which is why a pedophile was able to successfully argue that it would be against his article 8 rights to deport him because it would deprive his younger daughters of a father and he should be back in the family home with the little girl he abused (his stepdaughter) and his future victims!
The only reason that the EHRC in strassburg are even saying that their willing to change is because they can see that they've pushed it to far much like an abusive partner who knows his victim is leaving him. They know that it will be almost impossible to get everyone to agree with the necessary changes but can keep it in committee whilst doing nothing but pointing at the committee and claim their trying to change (much like an abusive partner in therapy) its a scam and ploy with the threat of being a pariah as the stick to keep us there. This is a pateen of behaviour that many DV survivors will recognise and the strongest indication that strassburg know the gig is up they and their crt went to far and the people wont take it anymore and politicians are beginning to listen

lcakethereforeIam · 04/11/2025 12:05

I wish they'd change their name so it wasn't so easy to mix them up with the EHRC.

GallantKumquat · 04/11/2025 19:44

ItsCoolForCats · 04/11/2025 08:36

I read that earlier. It only references immigration, but if they are open to amending article 8, will this also impact gender recognition? Or could they change it in such a way that it wouldn't?

My take from the article is that the Council of Europe is very aware of the discontent felt in many European countries about the European convention of human rights, and I hope this will prevent further overreach, such as we have seen recently from Michael O'Flaherty, whose intervention went down with Shabana Mahmood like a lead balloon.

Article 8's primary impact with respect to transgender issues is under what situations you're allowed to keep your sex private. There are many exemptions that condition that right:

"There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others."

Requiring disclosure of sex for accessing single sex services and spaces would be congruent with those exceptions for at least:

  • public safety
  • prevention of disorder or crime
  • The protection of health or morals
IwantToRetire · 04/11/2025 19:52

All this is about is saying that human rights, like other rights, are not absolute, but only for as long as they can be afforded. Just like saying pensions should have the triple lock (because UK pensions are low in comparison to other European countries) but not when the economy has been mismanaged.

And of course, in typical politician headline instant gratification, doesn't deal with why there is an increase in the number of asylum seekers ie asset stripping of natural resourses, climate change, propping up regimes by the very countries now whining about having to deal with the consequences of that.

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