Is this yet another example of forced teaming?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr7m8kzgy77o

A memorial to the work of the LGBT community in the armed forces, commemorating those homosexual service personnel who had to keep their sexuality a secret, and those who were ousted for being gay.

This is close to home for me, my cousin served, and met her female partner in the military. They had to go to considerable lengths to keep their relationship secret. Not aware that this affected anyone with a gender identity though? Does anyone know if it did? If it didn’t, then why are we not commemorating eg the LGB community plus all…. I don’t know, short people???

Sometime (most of the time!) there absolutely is an LGB community with very different experiences from the TQ+++

All the stories I can recall are LGB. The BBC article only mentions LGB and the links below the article aren't tp. I'm sure I've heard anecdotes of members of the armed forces crossdressing whilst on leave and a fair few veterans seem to transition on retirement. Wasn't Jan Morris in the army? If there were any tp kicked out, I'd be honestly surprised if there weren't, it's likely to be blokes and the reasons for dismissal were probably homophobia. It would be difficult to disentangle a preference for wearing frocks from suspicions of being gay and it's likely there was a crossover.

The experiences of Ms Ràghillig, a lesbian, are horrific. The armed forces still have a terrible reputation for the way they treat female recruits and the behaviour of the men towards any woman. What Ms Ràghillig went through has an extra layer of nasty, essentially condoned by the brass.

The memorial is dedicated to those from the LGBT+ community now serving in the forces, as well as those who served at a time when it was illegal to be gay in the military.

I do not understand the first bit - a memorial to those still serving?

Yes, it's forced teaming. It's a memorial to LGB servicepeople, of whom there must have been many. There's no link between sex fetishism (which motivates most trans-identifying men) and homosexuality. But the trans movement managed to get the T stuck on the end of LGB in order to benefit from the general support for gay rights.

I personally don't think this is a battle to fight for us, unless you actually believe that people with gender identities had an easy time in the military.

I do have a relative who left the army and transitioned MTF, about 30 years ago. His story is very much the same as a number of pre-2015 trans women: Grew up as an effeminate male in a household with an aggressive and disappointed (in him) father, sent to military style boarding school to try and toughen him up, joined the army to try and become a real man before crashing out and having a breakdown. Almost definitely homophobia at the root of it all, but the two were not always so hard to separate - he was bullied and traumatised for being camp/effeminate rather than for having relationships with other men. It would be disingenuous for us to suggest this wasn't a problem in the armed forces.

FWIW he doesn't relate to the current TRAs at all, as knowing you would always be male was a condition of transition when he did it, anyone with unrealistic expectations or magical thinking wasn't considered to be fully able to consent - it was a different time.

I've heard several stories from 'trans' ex military people that suggest that PTSD sometimes plays a part in dysphoria. There's also the suggestion that men are overcompensating for being gender non conforming by trying to be as uber macho as possible - so they join the army.

(I'm inverted comma-ed the 'trans' because in one of these cases, the person eventually 'detransitioned', having realised that he was incredibly traumatised and chopping his cock off wasn't going to help. )

One of the most accurate records of numbers of detransitioners came from US military medical insurance records (don’t have the article to hand that publicised this - hopefully someone else might be able to link it). IIRC, they were looking at an over 30% detrans rate - a far cry from the less than 1% that is usually touted (the less than 1% is from back in the day when medical routes for trans people were heavily gatekept, so is invalid now anyway).

> Is this force-teaming?
> LGBT

Yes.

Not trying to fight a battle here, but I think it’s always good to remember how many groups in society have lost out to the T takeover - women obviously, LGB, and those with an environmental agenda spring to mind, as well as people who have DSD’s

Plenty of groups have had (and continue to have) a hard time in the forces - women, people of colour….. but the memorial isn’t supposed to be about that. It’s supposed to be specifically about the treatment of same-sex attracted people