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Virginia Giuffre claims in book she was sexually abused by her father

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IwantToRetire · 20/10/2025 01:46

Virginia Giuffre describes years of sexual abuse by her father and a family friend in a posthumous memoir to be published next week.

Nobody’s Girl: A Memoir of Surviving Abuse and Fighting for Justice tells the story of how she was recruited by Ghislaine Maxwell at the age of 16 to work as a masseuse for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile financier.

Giuffre, who died by suicide at the age of 41 in April, says her early experience of abuse meant she was a “perfect victim” for the pair.

“I know about monsters,” she wrote. “As a child, I experienced nearly every kind of abuse: Incest, parental neglect, severe corporal punishment, molestation, rape.

“As a teen, I had been sexually trafficked by another paedophile even before I met Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.”

Her troubled teenage years were used by supporters of Epstein to cast doubt on her allegations that the billionaire abused the teenager.

In her book, which The Telegraph obtained a copy of ahead of its publication next week, she wrote that it was time to tell the whole story.

It paints a picture of a girl who endured horrific abuse, long before she was spotted by Maxwell.

Start of a longer article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/10/19/virginia-giuffre-claim-book-sexual-abuse-father/

Also in full at https://archive.is/IKPfJ

Please note, there are some details in the full article that some women may find difficult to read. Just a warning before deciding whether to go to the full article.

Virginia Giuffre claims in book she was sexually abused by her father

Posthumous memoir suggests her early experiences meant she was ‘perfect victim’ for Epstein and Maxwell

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/10/19/virginia-giuffre-claim-book-sexual-abuse-father/

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AMansAManForAllThat · 20/10/2025 06:52

I won’t read the full article, thank you. But sadly this doesn’t surprise me. We know that victims can be repeatedly victimised and that at first sight they seemed less credible as a result. We know better now, I hope.

deadpan · 20/10/2025 07:25

She lived a life of hell the poor poor woman. I hope she at least had some wonderful experiences with her children and partner before she died. I wonder in a way if it was her children growing up that added to the fire, as well as raking through everything to write the book and fighting so hard. You often see your own life, and compare what your parents were like to how you are with your own kids, when they're growing up, and that must have been really hard.
I saw an interview with another victim, where she said Maxwell and Epstein had asked Virginia to be a surrogate, which I'd never heard before. That was apparently the last straw for her. They said she'd be a "great mom". The utter horror of them saying that to her and knowing how little they valued - not at all - children's lives. And then knowing what future would befall the baby they expected her to give them, must have been overwhelming.

Needspaceforlego · 20/10/2025 07:29

Well that answers something I've never understood, why she went back to Epstien after the first time.
Her father was dropping her off at her 'job' at Epstiens.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/10/2025 08:56

Very sad, but not at all surprising.

Girls with loving parents who take proper care of them do not just fall in with sex trafficking rings at the age of 17.

I can't be the only one who thought, "But what were her parents doing when she was in Palm Beach with Jeffrey Epstein? I was at home doing my homework when I was that age."

hihelenhi · 20/10/2025 09:30

deadpan · 20/10/2025 07:25

She lived a life of hell the poor poor woman. I hope she at least had some wonderful experiences with her children and partner before she died. I wonder in a way if it was her children growing up that added to the fire, as well as raking through everything to write the book and fighting so hard. You often see your own life, and compare what your parents were like to how you are with your own kids, when they're growing up, and that must have been really hard.
I saw an interview with another victim, where she said Maxwell and Epstein had asked Virginia to be a surrogate, which I'd never heard before. That was apparently the last straw for her. They said she'd be a "great mom". The utter horror of them saying that to her and knowing how little they valued - not at all - children's lives. And then knowing what future would befall the baby they expected her to give them, must have been overwhelming.

She didn't have wonderful experiences with her partner by the sounds of it, since DV appears to be a feature, and her children were also eventually taken away from her. It seems by the end she'd just had enough.

But no, it didn't surprise me that she'd been abused in early life. As others have said, it would have made her a vulnerable and easy target for the likes of Maxwell and Epstein (as well as the ongoing attitudes from people who think victims must be "perfect" to count or matter or ever be believed.)

P0PTARTS · 20/10/2025 09:47

It’s very sad reading the comments section. Majority saying they don’t believe her. Mostly men.

TheGoddessAthena · 20/10/2025 09:49

Is this new information? I thought it had been established ages ago that Virginia had be abused and neglected as a child and young teen, and this is in part what led her to be targeted as vulnerable by Epstein as she had nobody looking out for her.

deadpan · 20/10/2025 09:52

hihelenhi · 20/10/2025 09:30

She didn't have wonderful experiences with her partner by the sounds of it, since DV appears to be a feature, and her children were also eventually taken away from her. It seems by the end she'd just had enough.

But no, it didn't surprise me that she'd been abused in early life. As others have said, it would have made her a vulnerable and easy target for the likes of Maxwell and Epstein (as well as the ongoing attitudes from people who think victims must be "perfect" to count or matter or ever be believed.)

Oh no, I didn't know that. Bloody hell, how awful! What a sad sad life at the hands of so many people.

Soontobe60 · 20/10/2025 09:58

deadpan · 20/10/2025 09:52

Oh no, I didn't know that. Bloody hell, how awful! What a sad sad life at the hands of so many people.

I thought the DV was her against her husband.
she seems to have had a very traumatic life- sadly there are far too many women like her.

Greenwitchart · 20/10/2025 10:07

This poor woman had such a horrendous life.

Not surprising that it all started with abuse in the home.

I do hope all the powerful men who abused her finally face the music and end up in jail.

ChatNoire · 20/10/2025 10:31

I didn’t know anything about of this. Well done Virginia Roberts Giuffre for being the tip of that iceberg, for courageously sharing your story and lifting the lid on how people in high places abuse their wealth and positions to casually wreck the lives of those they use and abuse. I bet none of them gave her a backward glance once they had finished with her. I truly hope that in time everything becomes known and that the perpetrators are made to know their parts in the lives they have ruined.

hihelenhi · 20/10/2025 11:03

Soontobe60 · 20/10/2025 09:58

I thought the DV was her against her husband.
she seems to have had a very traumatic life- sadly there are far too many women like her.

Possibly them both, but she'd accused him of it previously and there seem to have been a number of incidents.

hihelenhi · 20/10/2025 11:09

P0PTARTS · 20/10/2025 09:47

It’s very sad reading the comments section. Majority saying they don’t believe her. Mostly men.

I know, it's horrible, isn't it? Calling her a "fantasist" and other things. As I say, a lot of the time, people expect "real victims" to be perfect, their idea of "innocent" or they're not to be believed ever. And abused women and girls often aren't perfect. Hence the likes of Epstein et al, along with all those other powerful men, know they won't ever be believed. And rich and powerful men will take advantage of that and get away with it (I think Andrew is a disgusting scumbag, btw, but he's only the convenient tip of a very large iceberg and so thick & entitled he walked into it, unlike all the other very powerful men who have protected themselves and strangely seem to have had little heat on them.)

TempestTost · 20/10/2025 11:29

I don't think it's uncommon for women who have had experiences like this to be "fantasists," as in, they are suffering from some significant personality disorders as a result of early and prolonged abuse. I think it becomes a way of surviving in such environments by getting others to behave the way you want, but can also be a way of coping psychologically which is when it becomes really dangerous to the abuse victim herself.

It also tends to mean they are really difficult witnesses. Or even difficult if you are a person trying to help someone in a situation like this, because some of what they are telling you won't be reliable, and their way of approaching interactions is manipulative.

There was a case near me a number of years ago where this was a factor. I think the abuse the woman complained of was certainly true, and I think overall the court did as well - but it became clear that she was telling lies in court. And at that point, it is very difficult for a jury to convict. It's not fair really - but at the same time, how can you give a criminal conviction on the basis of testimony from someone who seems to be unreliable?

It's another reasons cases like this are so difficult but I don't really know what the solution is.

AzureCats · 20/10/2025 11:36

I did wonder why her father who worked at the hotel didn't give a flying fuck when she was spending all that time at 16 working for Epstein at all hours.

AzureCats · 20/10/2025 11:40

Oh I just read the archive link. 😔 Wtf. It always blows my mind these predators can do to little girls and when it's your own daughter. Honestly don't understand how they sleep at night or live with themselves. Poor poor Virginia. I hope you're at peace now.

Cinaferna · 20/10/2025 11:47

Tangentially, though work, I have come into contact with several people - one man and a few women who were sexually abused by parents and grandparents. What I have noticed is they all come across as unreliable. Which is not to say they are - I believe every one of them. But the trauma of abuse means their memories are often fractured, and of course they don't want to talk about it, so they talk around it and often what they tell you is a very minimal or even coy version of what really happened, so it can seem they are making a fuss over nothing or making it up. They also often have hyper reactions and can misread situations that are benign, which also can lead to people not trusting their version of events. And of course there is a certain type of man in particular, but also woman, who simply prefers to believe they are lying and is happy to say so often and loudly.

I think Maxwell knew exactly what type of girl would be malleable. She wasn't going to waste time grooming girls with a strong sense of self-worth and families who would block her invitations. I also wonder if Maxwell herself might well have been abused and cast herself in role of procurer to create a sense of power instead of powerlessness. She had a very odd relationship as her father's favourite and he was an amoral man. Voluntary re-enactment of situations similar to one's own abuse is quite a common reaction.

Needspaceforlego · 20/10/2025 14:41

I think you could be right about Maxwell. There is loads more to this story but I doubt it will ever come out.

Soontobe60 · 20/10/2025 15:08

TempestTost · 20/10/2025 11:29

I don't think it's uncommon for women who have had experiences like this to be "fantasists," as in, they are suffering from some significant personality disorders as a result of early and prolonged abuse. I think it becomes a way of surviving in such environments by getting others to behave the way you want, but can also be a way of coping psychologically which is when it becomes really dangerous to the abuse victim herself.

It also tends to mean they are really difficult witnesses. Or even difficult if you are a person trying to help someone in a situation like this, because some of what they are telling you won't be reliable, and their way of approaching interactions is manipulative.

There was a case near me a number of years ago where this was a factor. I think the abuse the woman complained of was certainly true, and I think overall the court did as well - but it became clear that she was telling lies in court. And at that point, it is very difficult for a jury to convict. It's not fair really - but at the same time, how can you give a criminal conviction on the basis of testimony from someone who seems to be unreliable?

It's another reasons cases like this are so difficult but I don't really know what the solution is.

I prefer to think of it as “trauma” rather than “personality disorder”.

IwantToRetire · 20/10/2025 18:24

What I cant get over is that during the very high profile trials there were reports of what was said in court.

One about her father working for the very men who were abusing her. (I never got over why he was accused of negligence. In the UK 16 is the age of consent but in the US its 17.)

The other being one of the women who gave evidence about how her boyfriend drove her to various "appointments" (made by Maxwell?) and picked her up aftwards and helped count the money. Why wasn't he prosecuted as a pimp.

The trial was a travesty. Too many egos. People who wanted headlines, so they went for the big names, and in doing so let all the others who propped up and benefited from this systematic exploitation of young women, escape any sort of punishment.

And all that is happened is that rich men are no doubt still doing this, but being more cautious about it being made public.

And then years later when they die, there will be newspaper articles about how everyone knew this was going on.

Nothing changes.

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WannabeEDIOfficer · 20/10/2025 19:19

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IwantToRetire · 20/10/2025 19:38

I think the focus on Andrew is a real obstacle for getting justice for women.

In fact nobody cares about the women.

They just want to get the boot in on him.

Which conveniently means all the other men are not exposed.

Has anyone every wondered about media manipulation, and in whose interest it is that only Andrew is focused on.

And of course makes it seem like its just the odd man.

It isn't.

It seems much more likely that men will money will be liable to behave in this way.

And as we know groups of men who have a friendship network, irrespective of their social status, are just as likely to conspire together to abuse and exploit young women.

Getting sidetracked by a "big name" helps all the other guilty men never face justice.

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AreYouSureAskedNaomi · 20/10/2025 19:53

P0PTARTS · 20/10/2025 09:47

It’s very sad reading the comments section. Majority saying they don’t believe her. Mostly men.

I've been reading threads on reddit about this, and I found very very few doubters. Most posts were overwhelmingly supportive.

on the other hand I have seen quite a few unpleasant comments on MN... posters saying VG was willing, she looked happy, she could have left at any time, how do we know any of it is true, etc. It really grates to see comments like this on a site where most posters are women.

Needspaceforlego · 20/10/2025 21:42

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Being fair to him, he probably doesn't know the half of it himself.
I still doubt he knew the girls were being trafficking, groomed or pimped.

By the sound of it her Virginia issues were a WHOLE lots deeper than having sex with Andrew 3 times.

Shes also accused of recruiting other young women. That's a ton of guilt that must have messed with her mind too.

Needspaceforlego · 20/10/2025 21:46

IwantToRetire · 20/10/2025 19:38

I think the focus on Andrew is a real obstacle for getting justice for women.

In fact nobody cares about the women.

They just want to get the boot in on him.

Which conveniently means all the other men are not exposed.

Has anyone every wondered about media manipulation, and in whose interest it is that only Andrew is focused on.

And of course makes it seem like its just the odd man.

It isn't.

It seems much more likely that men will money will be liable to behave in this way.

And as we know groups of men who have a friendship network, irrespective of their social status, are just as likely to conspire together to abuse and exploit young women.

Getting sidetracked by a "big name" helps all the other guilty men never face justice.

That has crossed my mind two.
It was pointed out Andrew and Gullane are the only two people to be punished for any of it.