Is the Green Party giving false hope to trans people to try and win their votes?

[WallaceinAnderland]

I read this snippet on Reddit

RR538 We support children and young people who wish to transition socially without requiring input or medicalisation, and treatment that supports and respects their identity before they are too old to benefit from it. We support the use of puberty blockers for those who are of a relevant age, for an appropriate amount of time. Gillick Competency should continue to be recognised and utilised for the appropriate use of hormones and other treatments. Not only does this give young people the space to decide what their future will look like, but it also reduces the need for many surgeries and other interventions as adults.

Are they doing just exactly what Labour did - false promises to win votes and then just following the law because they have to/know that fighting it would be unpopular with the general public?

I assume their take would be that if they got into government they'd legislate to allow it

Unfortunately I think the Scottish government has showing that if the Green party is a single issue, niche party they can have a disproportionate effect on policy, if ever there is a minority government.

"Want to put through a very reasonable policy on something else, well support you if you make GRCs easier..."

"Want to make this change to social care funding, we'll support you if you also put extra money into gender affirming care...."

I don't think it would be popular to legislate in favour of giving puberty blockers to children though. I think there would be enough backlash to make them swerve this promise.

The policy being unpopular doesn't seem to bother the Greens in Scotland, in fact I think it's a badge of honour to be championing such an underdog.

I think they're true believers and will genuinely do their best to change the law. Best to keep them far far away from power.

But you could say exactly the same about the Labour Party. Keir Starmer said that 99% of women don't have a penis. Got all the trans votes and then did a complete U turn when he realised how unpopular that was.

They have been ill advised by Stonewall, the GLP, Mermaids and many other so called supportive organisations. They have been told the wrong law to such an extent that they now feel rights are being taken away. Rights which they never really had in the first place.

I think that by focusing on this, the Greens are doing the same and trans people will feel let down yet again.

But labour need to care about popular opinion, they want to get more votes than anybody else. The greens don't need to think like that, if they can guarantee they get total support from a minority, find the places they can possibly get a seat on a local council or anything, they can then have disproportionate power in one area. It's the joy of not having to care about anything else and knowing that the people left to care about everything else will sometimes need your support.

It doesn't matter if you poll everyone and most disagree with puberty blockers. Most of these people will have it as a very low priority after tax, NHS, immigration etc.

Scotland was more vulnerable to this, because the proportional representation guarantees them some seats, but we're wrong to assume a minority party putting all it's eggs in one basket can be ignored.

It's important to use clear language about what the Greens are promoting:
The chemical sterilisation of children below the age of consent.
The removing of safeguarding from a vulnerable group of children.
Gaslighting children that the niche adult concept of sex change is desirable and a safe option for them.

Time to be completely honest about what they're proposing to do to children.

The Greens know they aren’t going to win a General Election, so their strategy is to position themselves to the left of Labour and persuade as many disillusioned lefties as possible to vote for them.

Labour is moving away from ‘woke’ issues (including trans) in the face of massive hostility to that agenda from traditional white working class voters who are tempted to vote for Reform. This creates an opportunity for the Greens to attack Labour from the left and split its vote. This strategy makes complete political sense for the Greens, and in their shoes I would be doing exactly the same.

To what aim though. Presumably to eventually be in power. Which brings me back to my point. Is it then that they will drop the push for puberty blockers?

We are obviously talking years ahead now and by then much of this could be old news that no one wants to open up again.

This would only increase votes in certain areas of the country, and they're a minority of areas too. I think they honestly believe they're sticking up for bona fide treatment, which just shows how out of touch they are.
Hormones are an "intervention" it's mad not to think they are. And what's "an appropriate amount of time" to be on puberty blockers

They aren't aiming to be "in power" they are aiming for some/more power, a seat in a select committee that aligns with their interests, being able to ask things at PMQs, situations where their votes can swing things and they can negotiate for what they want. A platform for the people in their echo chamber to tell them how amazing they are.

Someone who wants a successful career in politics would align themelves with labour, conservatives (or maybe the SNP). Someone who wants a lot of praise from people exactly like them, who felt they made a difference in student politics, for example, might choose the greens.

If they were still all about the environment I'd think it was great to have some voices on an issue easy to ignore and id understand entirely why people joined and wanted to do what they could. I assume the same impulse applies to trans issues - a lot of people have made it their entire life/personality.

The Greens want the balance of power ie any decision has to be approved by them to get enough votes for the law to be passed. They don’t actually want to be the Government - that means being held responsible for the decisions.

However, they will not change their minds on the trans issue for a very, very long time. That would admit to an immense loss of face which is something the leaders of the party will not do.

Your lot are not alone. They are strongly bolstered by their Antipodean cousins. See here https://greens.org.au/policies/sexual-orientation-gender-identity-and-intersex. If you can find reference to parents having input into their child’s welfare, please point it out.

(I am happy to agree with the Australian Point 30 re previous criminal convictions for being homosexual). Batshit crazy with a strong socialist flavour. A very long way from the original Greens who I was proud to support.

That is one of three Trans activist motions passed by the Green conference. I think the TAs inside the Greens are genuine. The TAs inside the Green party look ready to bankrupt the party over gender stuff such as paying for legal cases over expelling gender criticals from the party.

How this will develop over time remains to be seen. There are others inside the party more sane but the party membership is now more people who are ZP fans.

For example Zack Polanski doesn't believe in women's sports or prisons. This is on what is now seen as the extreme fringe of TA demands. Will he keep it up over the 4 next years? Especially if they start losing legal cases?

If you want a deep insight into the current state of play inside the Greens check out this ongoing thread;
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up?