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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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FortheloveofPetethePlumber · 05/10/2025 20:39

A helpful demonstration of what happens to anything once activists become involved. The evidence and 'lived experience' of everyone trying to work with them continues to mount.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 05/10/2025 20:50

Five of the six teenagers and young adults with “lived experience” are living as either a trans man or trans woman. Only one has detransitioned having temporarily lived as the opposite gender to the one they were born while a teenager, and were belatedly added to the panel after concerns were raised internally.All three parents involved have trans children, including one who accessed puberty blockers privately for their child and was a Tavistock patient, and another whose child “began her gender journey at approximately five years old” and has since been diagnosed with autism, Tourette Syndrome, and other conditions.

well what could possibly go wrong with such a totally balanced and not at all already decided in advance advisory group

PriOn1 · 05/10/2025 21:02

Unless the research is carried out by independent and unbiased doctors like Cass, who can listen to a broad cross-section of patients at various stages, they are always going to have this problem.

Almost everyone involved in gender medicine is an activist. All those with doubts were driven out. We are in a situation where some of those driving child transition are AGP doctors, living out their fetish and many more are enablers, of one sort or another.

No idea how it will be resolved, until detransitioners start to bring claims for damages, which will be huge as they will have been sterilized, robbed of the ability to enjoy sex as well as incontinent and in pain, among other horrific things. Cass was a brief moment of near sanity in decades of the exact opposite.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/10/2025 09:24

Chilling but not surprising.
Transactivists determined to involve children in sex change / queer theory need to be prised away from all health issues involving children. They can weigh in on adult healthcare (even though their contributions will be dangerous). But there's enough evidence of the harm caused by queer theory groups like Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence in the GIDs scandal plus contributing evidence in the case of Mermaids of the involvement of pornified / paedophilic adults to know that these people don't have the interests of children at heart.

OuterSpaceCadet · 06/10/2025 09:29

Fuck me how backwards this ideology is. Imagine a parent holding such rigid beliefs about sex stereotypes that they trans their five year old child!

What about the lived experience of the many many parents whose children would be trans if they'd had the misfortune to be born to parents as uncomfortable with non conformity as that?

It hurts my brain how many people can't see the sheer stupidity of this.

BonfireLady · 06/10/2025 10:39

Very depressing stuff.

It highlights that any parents who are concerned about their child need to stay vigilant and probably find ways to help them address their distress about their developing teenage body via a different route. This route sounds like an unsafe affirmation pathway.

As it says in the article, it's as if the Cass Review never happened.

Any parents of children younger than teen years will hopefully be hearing more and more challenge to the idea that a preferred choice of clothing, hairstyle and/or toys has no bearing on their child's sex i.e. that such preferences certainly don't indicate that they might be "in the wrong body".

What a huge disappointment. Though sadly not a surprise, given the history of NHS involvement in this field of care.

Igmum · 06/10/2025 11:08

Thank you to the Telegraph and I agree with others. This field of research is so toxic that any genuinely neutral or critical researcher would be insane to touch it (as an academic I regularly thank my lucky stars that I’m in a very different field that is nothing to do with trans issues where we can still do old fashioned things like look at and criticise evidence). But because the sane folks stay away the field is left to activists both in research and in the regional gender clinics. It’s scary how deeply embedded this is.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/10/2025 11:16

What is pleasing is that the Press are now on this big time. They're shining a light on some very dodgy people. No more #nodebate.

Whether the government have the integrity to tackle this is another matter. As @Igmum points out, this is deeply embedded - especially in the NHS.

CyanExpert · 06/10/2025 11:17

OuterSpaceCadet · 06/10/2025 09:29

Fuck me how backwards this ideology is. Imagine a parent holding such rigid beliefs about sex stereotypes that they trans their five year old child!

What about the lived experience of the many many parents whose children would be trans if they'd had the misfortune to be born to parents as uncomfortable with non conformity as that?

It hurts my brain how many people can't see the sheer stupidity of this.

I find your 'hurts my brain' a perfect description of how this whole issue makes me feel. Thank you for putting it into such clear and simple words!

BonfireLady · 06/10/2025 11:30

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/10/2025 11:16

What is pleasing is that the Press are now on this big time. They're shining a light on some very dodgy people. No more #nodebate.

Whether the government have the integrity to tackle this is another matter. As @Igmum points out, this is deeply embedded - especially in the NHS.

I imagine it must have been similar when the lobotomy era came to an end. I picturing reports surfacing which suggested lobotomies probably weren't the best idea, professionals who had previously championed them (or had actively participated without question) quietly sloping away, leaving a pool of "experts" who were too far in to pivot back.

We're in the dying throws of "gender affirming care" but there are those with too much to lose who will keep going. Sadly, they are still getting a voice in the NHS.

Wes Streeting will need to decide what legacy he wants to leave here during his time in government. At the moment, it looks like he's hedging but the longer he does so, the more children and young adults will be harmed. It's time for him to step up and say a very clear no. Until then, I hope the Telegraph and other media keep up it pressure that fill force his hand. He also needs Bridget Phillipson to step up and drive an end to the school to clinic pipeline.

Brainworm · 06/10/2025 11:38

The Cass report laid foundations for some useful research to be undertaken. Her noting of the ‘many different ways in to gender distress’ resonates with my clinical experience.

Studies should be recruiting CYP who present with gender distress in relation to histories of sexual abuse, attitudes to/self reflections on homosexuality, being autistic etc. These are key variables that should be better understood to enable evidence-based ‘ways out of’ gender distress to be found.

Any practitioner/ researcher who is not open to considering the ‘many ways in’ and ‘different ways out’ of gender distress does not belong in the field. They must not only believe this, but need to be willing to openly promote this thinking. The latter being an issue for many.

flopsyuk · 06/10/2025 11:47

I've been involved with a JLA PSP (nothing to do with this topic though). It's important i think to answer all their surveys if you can as the surveys will feed on to the questions.

Although the members of the group appear biased the JLA hires independent analysts to sort through the answers and rank them due to type and popularity.
At least they did this with our group.

So if a lot of questions come through about de-transditioning or harms (as examples) the JLA will pick these up and report on them.

Then when the top 10 questions are formulated there will be pressure on all the TRAs to include them.

BonfireLady · 06/10/2025 12:10

BonfireLady · 06/10/2025 11:30

I imagine it must have been similar when the lobotomy era came to an end. I picturing reports surfacing which suggested lobotomies probably weren't the best idea, professionals who had previously championed them (or had actively participated without question) quietly sloping away, leaving a pool of "experts" who were too far in to pivot back.

We're in the dying throws of "gender affirming care" but there are those with too much to lose who will keep going. Sadly, they are still getting a voice in the NHS.

Wes Streeting will need to decide what legacy he wants to leave here during his time in government. At the moment, it looks like he's hedging but the longer he does so, the more children and young adults will be harmed. It's time for him to step up and say a very clear no. Until then, I hope the Telegraph and other media keep up it pressure that fill force his hand. He also needs Bridget Phillipson to step up and drive an end to the school to clinic pipeline.

*I'm
*Dying throes

Typing too quickly without paying attention...

PatrickBaitman · 06/10/2025 12:48

CyanExpert · 06/10/2025 11:17

I find your 'hurts my brain' a perfect description of how this whole issue makes me feel. Thank you for putting it into such clear and simple words!

It’s brain-melting.

Trying to follow trans ideology feels like being trapped in an old Star Trek episode where Captain Kirk defeats a hostile supercomputer by hammering it with logical contradictions until it bursts into flames.

Only difference is, instead of Kirk saying, “Everything I say is a lie,” it’s activists saying: Gender is innate, but also a social construct. Trans women are identical to women, but also uniquely different. Biology doesn’t matter, except when it must be changed surgically. The binary is oppressive, but “non-binary” requires the binary to exist. Self identity is absolute, except when we don’t approve of it. Stereotypes mean nothing, but I knew my gender because I liked pink dresses and barbies. Trans athletes should compete in the category that matches their gender identity, for fairness and validation…except for trans men.

And my brain is the computer, sparking, smoking, and flashing red alerts.

SinnerBoy · 06/10/2025 14:26

Hell's bells! How on Earth has a highly partisan group, which promotes illegal drug therapies, which records gender in place of sex, managed to be appointed to this role? I will speculate that it was done by a gender addled member / committee.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 06/10/2025 14:45

The parent of this young child should not be on a committee but should be in prison for child abuse.

“began her gender journey at approximately five years old” and has since been diagnosed with autism, Tourette Syndrome, and other conditions."

TorturedParentsDepartment · 07/10/2025 09:14

I was having the discussion the other day with a colleague and pointed out that the experiences of autistic women and girls are still essentially absent from the academic literature. She looked at me and I pointed out, look at the methodology section of any of the research - it's always allowing anyone identifying as a woman to participate - meaning the results are totally skewed by natal-males who went through male socialisation and puberty before transitioning... she was absolutely shocked that it hadn't occurred to her to look at the sampling methods that closely - and the penny dropped.

Always always look at how the samples have been selected for things these days.

lcakethereforeIam · 07/10/2025 12:39

It wouldn't surprise me if the results suffer so much with the usual tra over reach that they'll be so laughably one sided they be utterly unbelievable. Although I've thought putting a rapist alone in a cell with a woman or sterilising a child would be unbelievable, so what do I know?

The people who have transed their small children are going to extremely difficult to debate. They will find it very hard to even consider what they are doing is wrong and will probably be quite vicious to anyone even gently suggesting it.

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