Is this X screenshot advocating FTM sterilisation fake?

[CleopatraSelene]

Disclaimer: I respect KJK's courage immensely, and I myself am strongly GC. I know there is a lot of suspicion about criticism of her bc of false smears she was racist or far-right. I know she is not. But I also don't believe she should be above criticism.

Why did she have to say this? I get it's probs hyperbole (hopefully) and I get that she's probs worried about the effect on kids of having a mum on hormones (maybe during pregnancy even which could be very dangerous) and then wanting to be called Dad etc... I have the same worries...

But comments about forced sterilisation are never OK imo. I thought we were trying to prevent people from sterilising via all of this horrible & unnecessary surgery : this kind of comment is counterproductive to that and unpleasant.

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I don’t agree with a lot of what KJ says and I don’t agree with forced sterilisation. However, why would a woman who wants to be a man wish to retain female fertility? There’s nothing more feminine than pregnancy and birth

Like trans women who want to keep their penis/sperm...

Have you done this OP?

@CleopatraSelene Have you gone to bed and just left this unsubstantiated thread hanging?

No, I have messaged them. You know they're slower at night...

That's not KJK account its a fake

NightWatch here - I’ll hide this unsubstantiated thread until morning and MNHQ can amend or delete

In my view KJK is someone who is very brave and at the forefront... but if anything I believe we should take a slightly harder line than she advocates for.

I do not agree with the tweet, I do not think anyone should tweet it and it looks like KJK didn't tweet it.

However, you are right.

A woman claiming to (want to) be a man and taking testosterone is -

(1) At risk of sterilization whether she wishes to be sterilized or not

(2) Presumably not wishing to get pregnant, ever. Pregnancy is as womanly as it gets.

(3) Presumably not wishing to ever have PiV intercourse, as this is almost as womanly as getting pregnant.

(4) Presumably (as a result of 1-2 above) not even slightly concerned about the possibility of being sterilized.

So overall, one might argue that in term of the tweet's precise words, which say nothing about forced sterilization, the message is really not that bad at all.

Then we get onto the serious issue - what does testosterone pre- and during pregnancy do to the foetus, and in turn to the child / adult.

It seems to me that the risks to the child are potentially very high, with no possibility of an upside. Given that a fair few kids must exist now, it would seem to me that we should (ideally) see no more trans'man'-on-T pregnancies until the current cohort of kids have reached 20 or 30 years old and been studied properly.

The idea that society would use forced IUDs to stop women who are at serious risk of having damaged babies due to consistent taking of drugs or alcohol in high amounts, or hormones that will damage the foetus is not outrageous. I'm not saying I have the answer or that we should do it, but in an ideal world I would love no more pregnancies resulting in foreseeably damaged babies.

Conclusion - I almost support the tweet's overall message, but I would not tweet it, do not believe in forced sterilization and do not believe KJK tweeted it or supports forced sterilization.

Isn't it meant as an ironic or satirical poke at the process of full medical transition? Doesn't that result in sterilisation anyway? In full, the comment is replacing 'should be medically transitioned' with 'should be sterilised' to make the point that (a) that is what will happen, and (b) it is a more obviously abusive act.

I've done some more research on this today. Will post later.

I bet you have.

She addressed it at the time:

https://x.com/ThePosieParker/status/1001783192121208832

I have been sitting on my concern about this thread all day. KJK is marmite; we all know that. However, she has a target on her back for LETTING WOMEN SPEAK. She does not have JKR's fortune to pay for high-level security.

I know that, at the end of the day, this is just another SM forum but I do wonder if those of us that use it to press for women's rights have some level of responsibility to do due diligence before posting stuff that can harm a woman that is out there fighting with her real name, not hiding under usernames like we are doing on here.

IMHO this thread was poorly conceived and executed.

Well said @MurkyWeather2

Exactly - that's what I said yesterday.

Was thinking as it was MNHQ who split FWR some that some feminists could just "chat" maybe we could ask MNHQ for a third thread that is SM gossip.

99.9% of discussion about GC issues on sm has about as much feminist content as the Old Testament (and no doubt other religious books).

I cant understand why when you are supposed to tell children not to spend so much time on the internet as though the virtual world is the one we actually live in, why so many think this is where important or interesting feminist issues are happening. I appreciate there is the whole fanzine feminism trend, but that too could go into SM gossip feminism.

There are so many issues women are facing daily, and it isn't happening on the internet.

How many on FWR have any idea of feminist activism in the area where they live.

I get people are worried about potential effects on KJK...she's extremely brave & we should do all we can to not add to the constant danger she's in.

But I actually think getting to the bottom of this allegation is better than leaving it. TRAs are using this claim that she wants trans men sterilised to whip up protest & anger against her. No context is given, ofc.

Whereas if this thread stays up, it's giving context and showing that she does NOT advocate for forced sterilisation of anyone.

The truth on this is unclear : is the account fake, as @Hoardasurass thinks, or is it a statement that people have twisted & she clarified, as @eatfigs says?

In a way it doesn't matter. Either way, the claim that advocates that is a complete lie (as could be expected).

We're talking about KJK, the person who called a violent genital torture of a trans woman "appealing"? That KJK?

https://streamable.com/2q98bp

The woman who let some crazy person shout about how all queer people are paedophiles who rape children? That KJK?

The woman who associate, justifies and interviews far right white nats? That KJK?

Get off Twitter, it's giving you brainrot.

Stop spreading misinformation. Post the exact quotes, I can guarantee you're missing out valuable context.

KJK has a long history of stating her view that trans people should not be parents.

She did it here in FWR not long before she was perma-banned from mn (which is several years ago now) and it was not in any way ambiguous. It was literally “trans people should not be allowed to have children” and she doubled down when asked if that was really her position.

Of course there are plenty of posters here who will not believe this - but it happened. And that shouldn’t come as much of a surprise given her well know (and recently evidenced in her own videos) position that trans people are liars, bad employees who should be avoided by employers, and should not be rented to by landlords.

She’s not hiding her antipathy to trans people living normal lives. Let’s not forget the video where she live streamed her abusing a trans person at work and then tried to get them sacked, as well as making them identifiable online.

I know there will be a big pushback on this, but whatever. Follow her if you want to but don’t kid yourself she’s not strongly prejudiced against trans people and actively seeking to make other people more prejudiced too.

violent genital torture of a trans woman

The clip you've posted, @BeeSourianteAgain, shows the comment she's responding to. Someone called Erik Wade says "Nail the perp's John Thomas to a tree stump" and continues in that vein.

Nail the perp's JT, see? Interesting that you've changed this to "trans woman". Since Erik's comment is the type usually made about rapists - and not all rapists, but mainly rapists of children - it's very likely the "perp" under discussion was a particularly vile rapist. But that's not important to you.

The clip doesn't indicate that the perp was trans-identified. You seem to know that he was. You don't seem to care what he did.

Kellie-Jay's response to the comment is "Sinister. But, haha, appealing." Which, frankly, many of us would say in response to a violently punitive comment about a rapist.

let some crazy person shout

Look at your "accusation" there ... she let a crazy person shout? Does K-J have mystical powers over crazy people?! I don't know what your reference is, but imagine it may have been a Let Women Speak event. At these events, she gives the microphone to any woman wishing to say something. She doesn't vet them, they aren't scripted. If the crazy person used her opportunity to make illegal claims, the LWS team might have tried to stop it. But we don't know exactly what was said. People do have the right to say things we dislike, you know.

far right white nats

This "You are who you speak to" bullshit has been debunked so many times, I'm not even going to bother.

Go away and pester some more gullible people. Even better, try opening your mind a little and thinking for yourself.

I think I've found the video OP watched. Terrible TRA exaggerations mostly.

At 48 minutes and 49 minutes he gives screenshots of tweets where she acknowledges what she said but clarifies that she does NOT support forced sterilisation.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DJBy93QX7ysE&ved=2ahUKEwj07suQyouQAxXQUkEAHWYmE4AQFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0DD-PLxXfMtc43GEr0H7t6

Exactly, TRAs don't seem to realise that 'you are who you speak to' would make TRA organisations' associations with vile abusers like 'Sarah Jane' Baker & 'Stephanie' Hayden very problematic to say the least...

The question is, are these tweets genuine or not?

@Hoardasurass , do you think tweets in the video I mentioned are also fake? Or the ones eatfigs mentioned? It's definitely possible they are, X screenshots can be convincingly faked.

Link to the post- do you have any evidence for this claim?