Intersex people in Europe face alarming rise in violence

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Obviously nobody should be facing an alarming rise in violence. But this seems a confusing survey.
Intersex people in Europe face ‘alarming’ rise in violence, EU finds | Transgender | The Guardian https://share.google/MSBV7cIJDw8C8lioG

But can you tell if a borogrove is mimsy or not just by looking at them?

I do wonder about the without informed consent. Its very open to interpretation, ie i didn't consent to being born in a male body. Could they even consider that to be medical treatment without their consent.

From the survey:

Who are the intersex respondents?

The LGBTIQ Survey III collect the life experiences and views of respondents who identified themselves as ‘intersex’. Intersex persons are born with innate variations of sex characteristics (SC) – such as sexual anatomy, reproductive organs, hormonal structure and/or levels and/or chromosomal patterns – that do not fit the typical definition of female or male. The term ‘intersex’ is an umbrella term for the variations in sex characteristics that occur naturally; it acknowledges that sex is a spectrum and that people with variations in sex characteristics other than male or female exist.

While many intersex persons also identify with other LGBTQ identities, it is important to recognise that intersex is distinct from gender identity and expression (GIE) or sexual orientation (SO). Not all persons with innate variations of sex characteristics identify with the term ‘intersex’.

From The Guardian:

All of them identified as intersex, an umbrella term referring to those with innate variations of sex characteristics and which includes people who identify as trans, non-binary and gender diverse.

The Guardian has misreported this. Or, at very best, it's making deliberately cynical use of ambiguous syntax.

Intersex?! If I had a DSD I’d be very pissed off at that term being used in this context.
In fact I have a friend with a DSD, she is quite obviously a woman and as a straight woman doesn’t consider herself part of the LGBTQ+ community, can’t imagine in what way she would be facing increased violence

Deadpan:
"I think the Guardian haven't done themselves any favours using the word "identifying" and clarifying what is meant by intersex. There isn't enough coverage of DSD's which would help. They really should have written DSD and not intersex at all.
Basically I don't they mean people are identifying into being intersex, but that's what it sounds like."

That is in the original survey, actually: e.g.
"Would you describe yourself as intersex? Yes/No"
(see my link above)

Could be that people who conflate having a DSD with being “gender fluid” are a bit like vegans, they need to share, usually within the first five minutes of making your acquaintance. 🤔

There are a lot of trans people that consider themselves to be intersex, not because they have a DSD but because they’re on hormones or have has some degree of surgery and therefore are no longer “purely” male or female.

It’s a load of bollocks, but it’s a position I’ve seen all over Reddit etc. Their transness is the cause of their intersex identity, not the other way around.

Possibly, although I very much doubt whether people with real DSDs are keen to tell everyone they meet about it.

I agree, it's the ones who think they are "intersex" without understanding what that outdated term meant who are the problem

So 'intersex' has gone from being an old-fashioned and non-preferred term for a DSD, to some vague umbrella term that now includes TIMs and TIFs and God knows who else?

Says who? Terrible English and terrible journalism.

"The term ‘intersex’ is an umbrella term for the variations in sex characteristics that occur naturally; it acknowledges that sex is a spectrum and that people with variations in sex characteristics other than male or female exist."

Surely if you are talking about a sex characteristic other 'than male or female' you aren't actually talking about sex?

That’s what I thought as well. How can there possibly be an upsurge in violence for those with DSDs when typically even the obstetrician couldn’t tell the infant’s sex?

IMO the report authors deliberately chose ‘intersex’ as the title to lend more scientific credibility and generate more sympathy whilst happily disregarding actual science.

We've seen it out in the wild, TIMs pretending to have a DSD for nefarious reasons. They claim that they have a genuine congenital condition, in order to gain sympathy and of course, access.

It's insidious force teaming.

This is particularly baffling. I am not a believer in "cisgender", what with it being blatant sexist nonsense, but even if I were I'd be struggling to understand how you could be a "cisgender intersex woman". I mean, make your mind up. How can your gender identity align with your sex if your sex is, er, nebulous?

With their Humpty-Dumpty views on language, they can consider anything to be anything 😂

If you read it you will find they conflate DSDs with being trans and thus the information is worthless.

Sex isn't a spectrum and DSDs do not prove it to be so (quite the reverse, since DSDs are sex-specific). Stupid article. The Guardian reaching a new low.

I don't have a problem with that. I interpret 'cis/NB/GD intersex women' as people who (think they) have a DSD, and were registered female at birth, and don't mind or don't care about it.

I'm much more puzzled by the trans intersex women. WTAF is that?

Anyhow, must get on. The angels on the head of this pin won't count themselves.