Rising Christian nationalism: a threat to us all

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Article by Humanist UK, so doesn't really reflect on the impact on women although does mention abortion rights.

But I do think that our politics are far more influenced by the US, not for any deep reasons, but so much of our TV is now americanised.

And some of the fundamentalist UD christian groups have very regressive attitude towards women.

https://humanists.uk/2025/09/17/rising-christian-nationalism-a-threat-to-us-all/

I think some people need it more than others. I am lucky in that I don't particularly need a "sense of community"... but I get that we're all different and many many people do.

I think that one could make an argument that the rise of cultural christianity - and any real rise in christian belief that might also be happening - is in opposition to various cultures that oppose cultural christianity also being on the rise (Islamic and woke / CSJ / TQ+ cultures spring to mind in particular). And one might make an argument that TQ+ ideologues on their antifa / transtifa protests, and at their gigs and clubs and exhibitions where sex realists are not tolerated, are often there for the sense of righteous community that in earlier decades they might have got from christianity.

Well yes especially when the church of England is being propped up by African churches abroad and immigrants at home!

The hard core far right is tiny, barely worth a mention (even if we need to keep an eye on them).

I don't think anyone is claiming that everyone voting reform or following Robinson is going to end up as a regualr churchgoer, far from it. Just that Christianity is seeing a rise, and in the scheme of things the right in the UK has a lot more in common with christians than it does with TQ+ ideologues, Palestine Action supporters and Islamists.

That was more likely a result of it being replaced by the religion of capitalism than immigration tho..

I'd say Islamists are far Right. The only difference between them is skin colour.
The Far Right, fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Islam are ideologically very similar. Especially with regards to their attitudes to gay people, women and the superiority of their own religion/race over others.
Moderate Christians (and cultural Christians/muslims) are very similar to all other moderate religious groups. Especially the Abrahamic religions.

The abortion protests in Scotland were directly organised by US anti abortion groups.

ADF are funding the case for this man to have the ability to harass vulnerable women as they attend an abortion clinic in Bournemouth.

https://adfinternational.org/fr/news/silent-prayer-trial-begins-for-army-vet

I don't quite understand why people can't be banned for their presence. Thats intimidation enough.

They are funding for the rights of this man to attempt to defend and fight for the life of an even more vulnerable person than the woman. So much so that the actions of this person had absolutely nothing to do with them being placed in that situation to begin with, unlike the vulnerable woman.

Some people can't understand how women, who are meant to have the loving, nurturing nature when it comes to small infants, can be convinced to commit an act so evil as the taking a life so innocent even though the woman herself is not necessarily evil. This happens over years with propaganda to first convince them it's a 'medical procedure' and 'healthcare' instead of the taking of a young life. People standing outside abortion clinics usually understand the value of human life

Christian nationalism is an odd concept in many ways. The life of Jesus as recounted in the gospels paves the way to socialism. Were it not for the perceived and actual threat posed by Islam, would there be such a thing as Christian nationalism?

The Jesus of the New Testament was the son of a tradie who lived humbly and tried to help lepers and prostitutes. Surely the likes of Trump have more in common with the Roman leaders who crucified him? I can imagine Trump lolling in a toga at a banquet boasting about the size of his gold tower more than I can see him sitting patiently in a crowd of plebs listening to someone else speak.

Trump would have fitted in well in Ancient Rome. What a great image. Is 'gold tower' a euphemism?

Not my business to defend Trump, but he's a more complicated case. Many people don't know that when he was young his dad made him go and work on building sites in the school holidays, and I think that stayed with him. Manhattan old money types despised him because he was this vulgar and blingy upstart from Queens, but construction workers liked him because he visited the sites and spoke knowledgeably with them and listened to their feedback.

There's a whole genre of young black men on TikTok who do this humorous thing about Trump as a gangsta rapper - he lives in a gold tower, he fucks porn stars, he's in and out of court all day, he's got a mugshot and a bullet wound - let's face it, he's black. Meanwhile I think cultural elites find hating Trump a socially acceptable way of hating Middle America.

Little to do with Christianity there, except I'm usually sceptical about attempts to claim Jesus for anybody's current year politics. Peter Tatchell sometimes writes articles claiming Jesus believed in the same things that Peter Tatchell does, which I find a bit disturbing.

Toni Morrison called Bill Clinton the first Black president: working-class single-parent upbringing, likes junk food, plays the saxophone...

Shame on you.

I could get all philosophical here but I'll restrain myself and just say -

the version of Christianity I was brought up with, in a very observant family, was about my neighbour is all mankind; about doing unto others as you would have them do unto you; about inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me; about for I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in.

I don't recognise the Christian part of a lot of this 'Christian Nationalism'..

I don't think that in this country the threat to women comes from politicians or religious groups of any kind.

But on the internet young men are encountering some very regressive attitudes to women and sadly it will be younger women who feel the effects of this. This hidden radicalisation is much more frightening to me and it is still very much under the radar.

I'm not just talking about the Andrew Tate effect but also about the Catholic 'rad trads' whose message can be very seductive to young men and who are beginning to have influence here in the UK.

I dont know how old you are, but prior to tv and movies showing American culture the what was All Hallow's Eve had nothing like this. You were lucky if you got to bob for apples, before being sent to bed worried those rising up from the dead would follow you into your bedroom. ie closer to but not so much fun as day of the dead.

And the idea that any UK schools had proms prior to the seepage of US culture is rubbish.

Unless of course maybe you are talking about posh private schools.

Anyone else was luck to leave with a half decent report and being told you will be lucky to get a job.

On one level it isn't US brainwashing by the big and small screen, but being brainwashed by advertising to make us want to consume, but which is of course dominated by US culture.

I quite agree. Absolute misogynist nonsense. I expect nothing else from this poster tbh.

( I can see why the church have embraced Trans as it suggests believers think your soul and body are separate entities)

Most churches do NOT encourage Dualist heresy of any stripe.

Umm.. what version of history have you read? The Romans who chased the Druids out were pagans. It was in 77AD. The Romans were also persecuting the Christians!

The only thing we can say about Christianity in Roman Britain is that it existed. Christianity only became the official religion of the Roman Empire about 80 years before the Romans left, so I really doubt they had much time to force mass conversions.

The conversion of Southern England happened in the 600s and initially consisted of about 40 people. The conversion of Northern England, Wales and Scotland did involve small boats … from Ireland.

There are modern Druids, but they’re a pale version of the original. For some reason modern people tend to frown on having their entrails wound about an oak tree or being knocked on the head and dumped into a bog.

Trump has ALOT in common with televangelists.

I'm not 100% sure how sending money to people for their personal enrichment relates to Christianity, but on the other hand there is a long tradition of people profiting from the church that long predates the pilgrims, so I don't think we can entirely blame America for dodgy religious practices.

Yes the Romans persecuted everyone.

Our Islands were pagan.

No matter what dates.

My main point is that we are not a "historically Christian country"

And that Jews, Christians, Muslims are all born of a land far away from ours. All Abrahamic and bear no resemblance to our indigenous origins and way of life.

Also, before those middle east religious patriarchal chaps came here , Women were far more respected. Even held high.

I will never understand how people were fooled into thinking that we weren't.

I don't think this is strictly true. Back in the 1960s and 70s in rural Scotland we used to go out 'guising' or busking on Halloween: going round all the neighbours' houses in fancy dress and performing a song, poem etc and being rewarded with sweets, monkey nuts or money - a tradition which I think was taken to the US and was the origin of trick and treating. As for proms - we didn't call them that but there were end of term school dances where we dressed up to the nines and did lots of very energetic Scottish country dancing (at a comprehensive state school).

I think the attraction for many of these people is an interest in the institution of "Christianity" than in the ideas of Christ.
The way the word "cultural Christianity" gets thrown around makes me feel slightly ill. It's feels like a way to try to add Christian moral authority to their own arguments without being behoeven in any way to follow Christian teachings that dont appeal. Its got the feeling of someone who thinks religious belief is useful, but they are far too smart themselves to believe. Hence JD Vance's disagreements with the pope. Or people shocked /annoyed that they went to a church and people there were talking Palestinians. (I know there are so many different opinions you could have on that conflict and it's causes, but praying for the victims in war/children/hostages feels like quite a normal Christian thing to do.)