The ‘quiet rainbow’

[IwantToRetire]

No suprise really but just another example of how most people seem to think that either the Supreme Court ruling is not really important or that the response should be how to support those with a trans identity.

No interest what so ever in how to help women achieve and keep their sex based rights.

... there has been a “substantial lack of clarity” about how people can move around in the workplace, including the use of toilets and other facilities, since the UK Supreme Court ruling in April this year, which stated that the legal definition of a woman is based on biological sex and “binary”.

This ruling means that a person who is not born biologically female cannot access the legal protections the Equality Act 2010 affords to women by changing their name with a Gender Recognition Certificate. However transgender people do still have protections against discrimination and harassment under the Act.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission later sent out an interim update on workplaces, public places, sporting bodies, schools and associations.

On single-sex facilities, the EHRC says that trans women should not be allowed to use the women’s facilities and trans men should not be permitted to use the men’s facilities, but acknowledged that in some places trans women would not be able to use the male facilities and vice versa.

Davies says that, in the wake of the ruling, having a workplace policy and being vocal about it is a crucial way to show trans employees that they are working in a supportive environment. “If you’re not outwardly showing that you support all of the people that work for your business, then it leaves space for people to think that maybe you don’t support them.”

https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/quiet-rainbow-far-agencies-backing-trans-inclusion/1931104

And yet the SC specifically thought about sexual orientation, they even accepted interventions and it was one of the main reasons that certificated sex was abandoned. So now a straight man can't call himself and lesbian regardless of how he identifies nor can a straight woman call herself a gay man.
I would hope that the BPS would have atleast 1 member who was capable of reading the ruling and understanding it well enough to explain that to whomever wrote their submission but clearly not.
The law is clear delusional heterosexual men are not lesbians and delusional heterosexual women are not gay. So maybe its time for the BPS to start actually treating their trans patients and challenging their delusions instead of reinforcing them. Whatever happened to 1st do no harm?

No, even Laurie Penny has no idea, and apparently she is NB, but couldn’t actually explain what it is. It should be called ASB - attention seeking behaviour.

That was it! I was sure I'd seen something about non binary recently. I can't stand Piers Morgan, it's a shame these pillocks make him look reasonable.

The clearest bit was 'It means that my gender identity is something other than man or woman'. Which is saying something.

It's definitely not the contents of her underpants though, apparently.

juliebindel.substack.com/p/laurie-penny-the-gender-goblin-strikes

“I am exhausted at having to come out every day and do mini education sessions for people I encounter,” Sam says."

Now have some sympathy, he/she/it is exhausted from having to explain to people in the real world, the world that they've invented in their head(s), and everyday no less. 😂

I bet they is not half as exhausted as everyone else putting up with their tedious self obsessed behaviour

Yeah, my reaction on reading that was to wonder whether Sam meant exhaustED or exhaustING.

How can you be trans non-binary? You don't identify as male or female but have also swapped from being male to female? It makes no sense. These people are definition crazy.

Ah but the more descriptors you have the more speshul you are.
I bet Sam would also describe themselves as pansexual, or asexual, depending on IDK, the phases of the moon, and queer, with a possible gender-fluid thrown in on bank holidays.

Maybe they're transitioning from a nobody to an even bigger nobody. 🤔

Swapping from either male or female to a secret third thing?

If you're going to be gender fluid then bank holidays are the time to do it :-)

Isn't it really very very easy?

Everywhere that has separate facilities for men and women should also have an appropriate gender neutral 3rd option, which is set up as individual fully-enclosed spaces rather than cubicles with gaps, so that anyone who doesn't want to use the facilities for their biological sex can do so.

If there isn't room for a 3rd option it is perfectly reasonable for all facilities for everyone to be fully enclosed single-user spaces.

This is what everyone who cares about trans people should have been campaigning for from the start. It was shouted diwn by narcissists who don't believe that anyone should have the right to withold their consent to participate in another person's wish-fulfillment-Fantasy, nor the right to freedom of thought which allows one person's deeply held spiritual truth to be perceived as awish-fulfillment-Fantasy by other people.

There's a brilliant woman on here called something like KeepToiletsSafe who can explain properly why fully enclosed toilets are dangerous in some situations and shouldn't be the norm but a very distant last choice. Basically, they're harder to keep clean, it's harder to tell whether someone is ill/collapsed/dead in them, and it can be easier for people to be pushed into them and kept there against their will. She's a one-woman campaign and database with all the info, honestly, it was eye-opening.

Yes, single sex blocks of cubicles with door gaps save lives.

This isn't the solution - the required configuration is single-sex facilities for men and women; 'universal' gender neutral toilet may be provided in addition to single sex toilets, or instead of, if there isn't enough space in the building or single-sex facilities.

Fully-enclosed single user spaces for everyone are not recommended on the grounds of safety - there have been many explanations on this board about the dangers of fully enclosed spaces.

It has also been pointed out that the disruption and expense of adding gender-neutral facilities to existing buildings to facilitate such a tiny percentage of the population is difficult to justify.

The existing provision of women's, men's and accessible toilets for disabled people [and only for disabled people, not a make-do gender neutral space 3rd space] has worked well for the vast majority of people for generations, and the logical argument for a wholescale, disruptive and expensive change to this configuration has yet to be made.

Do you not care that enclosed cubicles increases the risk of death?
Have you not thought about that at all?

Enclosed gender neutral cubicles in mixed sex rooms also increases the incidents of assaults on women.
Haver you not thought about that?

Does a life come before someone’s feelings?

Much easier to hide cameras in single occupancy toilets, too.

Blue hair dye?

“If you’re not outwardly showing that you support all of the people that work for your business, then it leaves space for people to think that maybe you don’t support them.”

Astonishing lack of self awareness from someone who is actually advocating that businesses outwardly show that they support the tiny minority of employees who identify as trans and don't give a shit about the rest of us.

I think that if everyone has access to safer single sex toilets for their own sex, it's up to them if they prefer to take the risk of using less safe gender neutral facilites.

Nobody who claims to be non binary can explain what it is, because it is meaningless nonsense.

Do they give any practical examples?
In what real-world scenario could a transman (bio female) who identifies as gay be discriminated against for being gay, in a manner that very clearly was not discrimination for them being trans? or female?

So a shop keeper says "we don't serve gays in here" (unrealistic but it is just an example). Could the transman go to court for discrimination, even though they are not actually gay because they are female?

I know it's batshit, and the BPS are the ones who are suppose to be helping the people who are batshit, quack help thyself. 🤯

Exactly - has their position not been challenged by others?