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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

All girls' school - safeguarding and boys issue

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wejammin · 06/09/2025 11:08

My daughter has just started year 7 at a girls academy school. It appears (although this is only what she has told me and what I have seen for myself) that there are at least 2 boys attending who identify as girls. When I say I have seen it - one of the boys is visibly male.

The school's equality policy says "the school may exercise discretion in allowing admission of both male and female transgender students and supporting transgender students at any stage of their education at the school." I admit I hadn't read this until this week.

Given it's a girls school, I'm worried about safeguarding re sports, changing rooms, toilets and residential trips. I have an older teen boy - I know how big, and strong, they get, and how hormones kick in. I presume there are no boys toilets or changing rooms, but I don't know for sure. There are definitely no boys sports clubs.

Does anyone know the best way to approach this with school so that it is taken seriously? I mean no ill-will towards the male children. I just want my daughter to be safe.

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GeneralPeter · 07/09/2025 15:20

AnSolas · 07/09/2025 14:56

Why can it not be direct sex discrimination?

Boy A is not accepted because of his sex yet the school accept boys.

The school is the one who has to prove their case rhat Boy A cant meet the exception metric.

Since the SC decision the Boy A is in the same sex class as Boy B so even if Boy B has an extra PC the school still fail on the "is a boy test" and is discriminated against Boy A.

If Boy A wants to be in an all girls school what protections will the PC of GR provide to the school when choosing between Boy A and Boy B?

What metric makes Boy Bs wants/needs differ to the wants/needs of Boy A

What metric makes Boy Bs wants/needs differ to the wants/needs of Boy A

Whatever it is, it’s not a difference based on sex. They are the same sex.

The school would have the burden of showing their claim to the single-sex exemption is valid. They’d have to show their admission of opposite-sex pupils is exceptional.

That would then turn on the facts. A school with loads of opposite-sex pupils that operated self-ID for admissions purposes might struggle. A school that says it “may exercise discretion” and has a very small number is going to find it easier to show that’s exceptional.

There will be other legislation that may offer a better way to challenge. I don’t think having boys in a girls school is a great idea. But if OP is going to challenge on the basis of EA 2010 it helps a lot to know what the law says. Saying ‘a single boy destroys the single-sex exemption’ (I know you haven’t said that) is not a strong line.

AnSolas · 07/09/2025 15:30

GeneralPeter · 07/09/2025 15:20

What metric makes Boy Bs wants/needs differ to the wants/needs of Boy A

Whatever it is, it’s not a difference based on sex. They are the same sex.

The school would have the burden of showing their claim to the single-sex exemption is valid. They’d have to show their admission of opposite-sex pupils is exceptional.

That would then turn on the facts. A school with loads of opposite-sex pupils that operated self-ID for admissions purposes might struggle. A school that says it “may exercise discretion” and has a very small number is going to find it easier to show that’s exceptional.

There will be other legislation that may offer a better way to challenge. I don’t think having boys in a girls school is a great idea. But if OP is going to challenge on the basis of EA 2010 it helps a lot to know what the law says. Saying ‘a single boy destroys the single-sex exemption’ (I know you haven’t said that) is not a strong line.

I agree whis is why I said the school must have a metric and has PC of GR is imo not enough.

In the OPs case she wants a no-boy school and her girl wants a no-boy school so a boy who wants a including-this-girl school is attempting to override DDs rights. Well the school is allowing this to happen by the admission policy.

LittleBitofBread · 07/09/2025 18:31

EnidSpyton · 06/09/2025 15:40

I am an experienced teacher and have worked in a single sex girls' school.

We had a girl who identified as a boy on roll. They took hormones so that they had the appearance of a boy - facial hair and so on - and did indeed look convincingly male, but they did not have any surgery to otherwise alter their appearance or genitals. As their biological sex was still female they were legally entitled to attend the school and could not be excluded for their choice to transition. The school provided a separate toilet for their use. I should add that the child transitioned in Year 10 so they had already been at the school for several years.

If this poster is genuine, I would imagine that is the scenario here - that girls who were already on roll have decided to identify as boys and are taking hormones to alter their appearance.

I would find it very hard to believe that an all girls' school has accepted boys who identify as girls. They will know that for many parents the choice of an all girls' school is very deliberate, and for transparency the presence of male students identifying as girls on site would have been made explicit to all parents applying for a place into Y7. I simply don't believe that this scenario would be real, having worked in schools as long as I have. Any school doing this would be on very dodgy ground and I don't see any headteacher wanting to invite the ensuing hassle by deliberately welcoming biologically male students into an all girls' school.

The OP says these pupils are boys who identify as girls.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 08/09/2025 08:34

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 07/09/2025 09:33

Honestly I would send something like this:

To: Headteacher; Designated Safeguarding Lead; Clerk to the Governors; Chair of Governors
Subject: Safeguarding, Equality and Admission of Pupils

Dear [Headteacher’s Name],

I am writing as a parent of a pupil at [School Name]. My concern relates to the admission of pupils of the opposite biological sex to a single-sex girls’ school and the safeguarding implications this creates. I am sure you will appreciate the need for clarity and transparency on this issue, so that parents can be confident their daughters are both safe and treated with dignity.

I wish to be clear: I mean no ill-will towards any individual pupil. My concern is about the school’s legal duties under the Equality Act 2010, Keeping Children Safe in Education 2024 (KCSIE), the Education Act 1996/2002, and the recent Supreme Court judgment confirming that the protected characteristic of “sex” in the Equality Act refers to biological sex.

To understand how the school is fulfilling these duties, please could you confirm the following:

1 Admission of male pupils
Has the school admitted any pupils who are biologically male? If so, how many and in which year groups?

2 Impact assessments
Please provide copies of any equality impact assessments, safeguarding assessments, or risk assessments carried out prior to and/or after the admission of biologically male pupils.

3 Information to pupils
How have female pupils and their parents been informed, so that girls can make safe and dignified choices (for example around changing, toilets, and residential trips)?

4 Changing rooms, toilets and showers
Which changing facilities, showers and toilets do biologically male pupils use?
What arrangements are in place to ensure that the dignity, privacy and safeguarding of girls is not compromised?

5 Sports
Please explain how the school ensures fairness and safety in physical education and competitive sports, given the physiological differences between adolescent boys and girls.

6 Residential trips
What arrangements are in place to ensure single-sex sleeping accommodation is respected, as required by DfE guidance and safeguarding law?

7 Governance and oversight
Please provide the risk-register entry covering this issue (including date added, owner, and review date), and minutes of any governing body or safeguarding discussions since January 2024.

8 External advice
Please list the dates and providers of any legal or safeguarding advice obtained on this issue, and provide the non-privileged headline conclusions shared with governors.
Has the school relied on any Local Authority or third-party “toolkits”? If so, which ones, and are they still in use?

I am aware from KCSIE that safeguarding is a governing body responsibility under section 175 of the Education Act. The Nolan principles of public life also apply: openness and accountability require that headline effects on safeguarding and equality be shared with parents.

If this information is not provided, I will have no option but to seek disclosure through a Freedom of Information request.

Please confirm receipt of this letter and provide the requested information within 20 working days.

Yours sincerely,
[Parent’s Name]

This is a fantastic latter (unsurpringly, given the experience of the writer).

I'd make one change though, and remove the last paragraph about making an official FoI request if it's not answered. Simply asking the questions is an official FoI request, so you don't need to do that separately. The school should deal with it as such.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/09/2025 08:43

wejammin · 06/09/2025 20:19

Absolutely, that's why I was asking for advice on how best to approach the school. I'm not saying I'm starting a picket or anything. It seems such a loaded issue.

Although I thought 'going in half cocked' meant being ill-informed, which is the opposite of what I'm trying to do in understanding the wider context.

I have to say though, the phrase 'going in half cocked' made me properly laugh given the situation.

It could only possibly be an issue if the school are failing to safeguard females.

send the email. If the school are doing their job they have an official answer for every point.

if they don’t have one then they have made a major safeguarding failure and your daughter is at actual risk.

you’re not a bad parent to check that things have been done properly.

that’s what great parents who care do.

Put your head above th parapet. Children need protecting.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/09/2025 08:44

NoBinturongsHereMate · 08/09/2025 08:34

This is a fantastic latter (unsurpringly, given the experience of the writer).

I'd make one change though, and remove the last paragraph about making an official FoI request if it's not answered. Simply asking the questions is an official FoI request, so you don't need to do that separately. The school should deal with it as such.

Thank you and actually I agree on the FOI thing, it should be treated as such from the off by the school.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/09/2025 09:00

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/09/2025 08:43

It could only possibly be an issue if the school are failing to safeguard females.

send the email. If the school are doing their job they have an official answer for every point.

if they don’t have one then they have made a major safeguarding failure and your daughter is at actual risk.

you’re not a bad parent to check that things have been done properly.

that’s what great parents who care do.

Put your head above th parapet. Children need protecting.

Well said.
It can't be said often enough that parents must challenge institutions who tell girls that they have no right to boundaries from the opposite sex, who teach children that sex change is desirable and who instruct that it's bigotry to ask questions.
The time for dismissing Cass, safeguarding and the law is over. The safety and wellbeing of children must be paramount. The demands that certain adults make that children's safety must be abandoned in favour of promoting this niche anti safeguarding notion that children can transition must be rejected.

wejammin · 08/09/2025 09:55

Thank you all for your input, and especially @SingleSexSpacesInSchools for the draft letter. I have emailed the head of safeguarding this morning with a slightly amended version and I will update once I've had a response.

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Ddakji · 08/09/2025 10:02

Brilliant, well done @wejammin and agree great advice from @SingleSexSpacesInSchools.

PeonyPatch · 08/09/2025 13:36

Honestly, I would draft something like this:

So, how do I take my kid out from your school?

CyanExpert · 08/09/2025 15:35

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 07/09/2025 09:33

Honestly I would send something like this:

To: Headteacher; Designated Safeguarding Lead; Clerk to the Governors; Chair of Governors
Subject: Safeguarding, Equality and Admission of Pupils

Dear [Headteacher’s Name],

I am writing as a parent of a pupil at [School Name]. My concern relates to the admission of pupils of the opposite biological sex to a single-sex girls’ school and the safeguarding implications this creates. I am sure you will appreciate the need for clarity and transparency on this issue, so that parents can be confident their daughters are both safe and treated with dignity.

I wish to be clear: I mean no ill-will towards any individual pupil. My concern is about the school’s legal duties under the Equality Act 2010, Keeping Children Safe in Education 2024 (KCSIE), the Education Act 1996/2002, and the recent Supreme Court judgment confirming that the protected characteristic of “sex” in the Equality Act refers to biological sex.

To understand how the school is fulfilling these duties, please could you confirm the following:

1 Admission of male pupils
Has the school admitted any pupils who are biologically male? If so, how many and in which year groups?

2 Impact assessments
Please provide copies of any equality impact assessments, safeguarding assessments, or risk assessments carried out prior to and/or after the admission of biologically male pupils.

3 Information to pupils
How have female pupils and their parents been informed, so that girls can make safe and dignified choices (for example around changing, toilets, and residential trips)?

4 Changing rooms, toilets and showers
Which changing facilities, showers and toilets do biologically male pupils use?
What arrangements are in place to ensure that the dignity, privacy and safeguarding of girls is not compromised?

5 Sports
Please explain how the school ensures fairness and safety in physical education and competitive sports, given the physiological differences between adolescent boys and girls.

6 Residential trips
What arrangements are in place to ensure single-sex sleeping accommodation is respected, as required by DfE guidance and safeguarding law?

7 Governance and oversight
Please provide the risk-register entry covering this issue (including date added, owner, and review date), and minutes of any governing body or safeguarding discussions since January 2024.

8 External advice
Please list the dates and providers of any legal or safeguarding advice obtained on this issue, and provide the non-privileged headline conclusions shared with governors.
Has the school relied on any Local Authority or third-party “toolkits”? If so, which ones, and are they still in use?

I am aware from KCSIE that safeguarding is a governing body responsibility under section 175 of the Education Act. The Nolan principles of public life also apply: openness and accountability require that headline effects on safeguarding and equality be shared with parents.

If this information is not provided, I will have no option but to seek disclosure through a Freedom of Information request.

Please confirm receipt of this letter and provide the requested information within 20 working days.

Yours sincerely,
[Parent’s Name]

Your clarity is admirable.

StellaAndCrow · 08/09/2025 22:54

DrPrunesqualer · 07/09/2025 13:00

The clause relates to pupils of the opposite sex in small numbers And undertaking certain classes or courses
ie similar to single sex schools that allow the other sex in to do A levels

We have two as Grammar schools locally. But boys and girls cross the road to the opposite sex school to do the odd A level. Many single sex schools have mixed sex sixth form but are still designated generally as single sex.
This does not relate to opposite sex pupils joining the school in year 7 to take part in that schools activities in its entirety

Yes, and I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't be ok for the school to allow only SOME boys to do this (only the ones who say they are girls) and not to allow any of the other boys (who don't say they are girls)

wejammin · 09/09/2025 17:16

No reply from school yet....

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DrPrunesqualer · 09/09/2025 18:39

wejammin · 09/09/2025 17:16

No reply from school yet....

Odd
Two days and nothing
You’d think all the info would be ready and freely available for parents

Perhaps they’ve realised they don’t have a risk assessment …just like nhs Fife 🥴

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/09/2025 22:09

wejammin · 09/09/2025 17:16

No reply from school yet....

If you use the word FOI in the title they WILL respond that day to acknowledge receipt. I’d still do that… otherwise this will drag on for months.

wejammin · 10/09/2025 07:11

They've acknowledged receipt - the admin team have confirmed it's been sent to the safeguarding lead. That was about 15 minutes after I sent it. Just no substantive response yet.

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/09/2025 07:41

wejammin · 10/09/2025 07:11

They've acknowledged receipt - the admin team have confirmed it's been sent to the safeguarding lead. That was about 15 minutes after I sent it. Just no substantive response yet.

I'm sure you may think I am being heavy handed, it's just because I've been trying to move the needle at my local school for so long and have been stonewalled at every single turn. Your school may be different. I strongly suspect it is not.

If they have not given you a watertight timeframe, which you WOULD get from an email with FOI written on it, I am imagining they will give you the run around and not answer a load of your questions. If it's FOI, they can't. otherwise they can.

Anyway. Really do hope I am being over cautious!

NoBinturongsHereMate · 10/09/2025 09:40

If it's FOI, they can't. otherwise they can.

It is FoI. If you request information from a public body, that is an FoI reqest and must be dealt with as such.

You dont have to mention the regulations, or state it's one, or even write a formal letter. Every a question in a Tweet or on their Facebook page counts - any form of written question (about data or information it's reasonable for them.to hold, not their favourite biscuit) that gives them sufficient contact details for them to supply you with the answer is, automatically, an FoI request.

Slothtoes · 10/09/2025 09:45

NRFT but well done for asking this question and I hope that you are getting some support for you OP. Sex Matters or Transgender Trend might be able to support or advise you because whatever response you get needs to be considered carefully. Take care.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 10/09/2025 09:45

NoBinturongsHereMate · 10/09/2025 09:40

If it's FOI, they can't. otherwise they can.

It is FoI. If you request information from a public body, that is an FoI reqest and must be dealt with as such.

You dont have to mention the regulations, or state it's one, or even write a formal letter. Every a question in a Tweet or on their Facebook page counts - any form of written question (about data or information it's reasonable for them.to hold, not their favourite biscuit) that gives them sufficient contact details for them to supply you with the answer is, automatically, an FoI request.

I did not know that thank you, good that they are forced to follow the FOI regs regardless in that case. They can be so very slippery.

wejammin · 27/09/2025 12:19

Update - I had a phone call with the deputy head. She said there are no biological boys in the school. I am not the only parent who has raised this so she isn't sure where it has come from. There are some girls with short hair, and some rumours seem to have started.
She was on board with my concerns and didn't think I was unreasonable in raising them, but it's a non-issue in reality.
So that is all very reassuring!
Thanks to all for the comments and discussion.

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BonfireLady · 27/09/2025 13:57

wejammin · 27/09/2025 12:19

Update - I had a phone call with the deputy head. She said there are no biological boys in the school. I am not the only parent who has raised this so she isn't sure where it has come from. There are some girls with short hair, and some rumours seem to have started.
She was on board with my concerns and didn't think I was unreasonable in raising them, but it's a non-issue in reality.
So that is all very reassuring!
Thanks to all for the comments and discussion.

Good news that there are no males in the school and equally good news that the Head is on the same page as you. That bodes well if any males do try and join - all the Head needs to do is follow the law.

As a mum of a daughter with short hair it saddens me no end that we've got to the point (as a society) where people have taught themselves to wonder if girls with short hair are possibly boys - or might want to be and if so, that it's important to go along with this. In the case of my daughter, she was actively gender questioning previously and she saw her preference for short hair as an example of the "evidence" that she may not be a girl. We've been slowly unpicking this and I think she's now at the point where she can see that her preference for short hair (and for clothes from the boys' section) doesn't indicate she might be a boy.... We're not out of the woods though, not least because (most likely due in part to several girls like her having short hair) the school teaches children to support everyone's declared gender identity (and that to not do so is unkind) and people sometimes ask her what her pronouns are. Effectively they are asking "are you sure you're a girl? Would you prefer me not to think of you as one?"

It's possible that some of the girls with short hair at your daughter's school might be experiencing something similar to my daughter. Hopefully, for their sake, the Head recognises why it's important that these girls are not nudged towards wondering if they are really girls. But that's obviously a different risk/issue from the one that you to thought you were facing.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 27/09/2025 14:15

GeneralPeter · 07/09/2025 15:20

What metric makes Boy Bs wants/needs differ to the wants/needs of Boy A

Whatever it is, it’s not a difference based on sex. They are the same sex.

The school would have the burden of showing their claim to the single-sex exemption is valid. They’d have to show their admission of opposite-sex pupils is exceptional.

That would then turn on the facts. A school with loads of opposite-sex pupils that operated self-ID for admissions purposes might struggle. A school that says it “may exercise discretion” and has a very small number is going to find it easier to show that’s exceptional.

There will be other legislation that may offer a better way to challenge. I don’t think having boys in a girls school is a great idea. But if OP is going to challenge on the basis of EA 2010 it helps a lot to know what the law says. Saying ‘a single boy destroys the single-sex exemption’ (I know you haven’t said that) is not a strong line.

I don't understand why you think this isn't a strong line. It's the correct line. If a boy is in the school, it is no longer a girls' school.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 27/09/2025 14:16

wejammin · 27/09/2025 12:19

Update - I had a phone call with the deputy head. She said there are no biological boys in the school. I am not the only parent who has raised this so she isn't sure where it has come from. There are some girls with short hair, and some rumours seem to have started.
She was on board with my concerns and didn't think I was unreasonable in raising them, but it's a non-issue in reality.
So that is all very reassuring!
Thanks to all for the comments and discussion.

You said in you OP that one of the pupils was visibly male. Do you think you were mistaken?

GeneralPeter · 27/09/2025 14:29

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 27/09/2025 14:15

I don't understand why you think this isn't a strong line. It's the correct line. If a boy is in the school, it is no longer a girls' school.

Because much as I agree that’s logical, it’s not what the law actually says. There are carve-outs for “exceptional” presence of opposite-sex students.