NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #53

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected].

The hearing was live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 51: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5402652-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-51 1 September 2025 to 2 September 2025
Thread 52: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5403218-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-52 2 September 2025 to 4 September 2025

Well that's spoilt my Sunday afternoon. I mean, you're not wrong, but I really didn't need another mental image of the fox botherer in a scanty outfit. <shudder>

So the GMC's sloping shoulders "only obeying orders" is a worthless excuse.

Continuation thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5418690-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-54

Sorry to be starting the continuation thread so early. That's because I'm off on holiday and if something happens then this thread might end up being quickly filled up while I'm away.

Please would people continue to post here until it's full before starting on the continuation thread? Having two threads being posted on in parallel for a week or so will cause confusion.

Thanks!

Many thanks @nauticant Have a wonderful holiday and we will try to be good.

Have a wonderful holiday, @nauticant and come back like a giant refreshed.

Thank you @nauticant , have a lovely time.

Bloody hell @SionnachRuadh 🤢. I wouldn't be surprised though.

Who signed off on @nauticant 's annual leave?! 🤔Just kidding, hope you have a lovely time.

Have a super holiday @nauticant !
There's also this one to keep us all busy this week
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5416903-kelly-v-leonardo-employment-tribunal-29th-september-10am

@nauticant Yes Mum. Of course Mum. I wouldn't dream of posting on the new thread.

Seriously though, thank you so much for wrangling these threads and have a lovely holiday.

Have a wonderful holiday!

Wishing you a lovely holiday, @nauticant and I hope providing all these threads for us hasn't contributed to you needing the break! You can't have imagined you'd have been in for more than 50 of them when you posted the first.

Happy holiday, @nauticant!

While we're waiting for the next update from the case, there's a petition to be signed:

https://x.com/StigOfTheDamp/status/1972022602698052080?

(Link to tweet because I believe there's a problem with linking directly to petitions. But if you prefer an alternative route, go to the government petitions site and search for 'Inquiry into sexual violence in NHS hospitals'.)

Nothing to do with the thread, sorry, but I saw this yesterday. The poster before me cannot go to East Sussex, now..... 😉

And.... The babies are called Binlets! 🤣
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg9r90y9g4o

Signed the petition!

We need an 'aw!' emoji.

Happy hols, Naut.

Yes, very similar where I work. And going back to a previous post about DEI at Lloyds bank (and which group is missing - spoiler: it's women)
https://www.lloydsbank.com/about-us/diversity-equity-and-inclusion.html

But lots of support for people "navigating changes to their gender identity"

My (NHS) workplace used to be so good at always being clear that they were non-partisan and would support staff on both sides when there have been previous conflicts.

e.g. Ukraine/Russia, Israel/Palestine, Pakistan/India - the medical director has been very good at showing awareness that they may have staff from both countries and with differering views. He'd put out a message acknowledging that it might be a difficult time for some people, and advising on support.
.

Until LWS and the Supreme Court. Since then it's been ALL about support for trans people, how upset they might be, how everything will be done to support them, here's a special network and support line.

And NOTHING about how women are affected. Nothing acknowledging all that women have been struggling with, nothing saying that services will be safer for women. Literally no mention of women at all.

It's been eye-opening, rage-inducing and depressing.

Signed the petition

Also signed.

Happy holidays, @nauticant !

Update from TT about the change of pleadings.

Judge refused 😄

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1972665082677961023

Have a lovely Holiday Nauti. ✈

Full details

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NbVlyMhD1-daPiiCBeLgsrWxiwaSMwbc/view

That is really GREAT news! 😁 Very relieved for Sandie and her family.

There is an amendment to the list of issues, not sue what, still reading it.

Thanks for the good wishes everyone. It's now occurred to me that before leaving home I didn't update my will to appoint an heir for the custodianship of this thread. Should the worst happen you'll have to fight among yourselves as to who will be lucky enough to take over.

All the updates from Tribunal Tweets (TT)
The Rs in Peggie v NHS Fife & Dr B Upton made an application to amend their pleadings and the list of issues. The application was opposed by the C and arguments made in a public hearing. The ET has concluded on this question. The explanatory note is linked below.