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Your Party split over trans policy

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IwantToRetire · 01/09/2025 17:47

The MP for Blackburn wrote on X: “Women’s rights and safe spaces should not be encroached upon. Safe third spaces should be an alternative option.”

Less than three hours after Mr Hussain’s post, Ms Sultana said: “I’ve always stood with the trans community, and I always will. The same forces targeting migrants and Muslims are attacking LGBTQ+ people, especially trans people. Our safety is in solidarity. None of us are free until all of us are free. That’s the new party we’re building. Bigotry has no place in it.”

On being accused of “trans hate” by India Willoughby, a transgender journalist, Mr Hussain said: “There was no hatred expressed, India, it’s a conversation that needs to be had.

“Agreeing with women on their need for spaces exclusive to them is not an expression of hatred to any other community. I stated the need for safe spaces for trans people, that’s not hatred.”

When asked by a prospective supporter of the new party whether he believed trans women were women, Mr Hussain replied: “They’re not biologically women, hence trans-women.”

And indicating his support for single-sex toilets, split on the basis of biological sex, he added: “We’re talking about toilets, most sane people want to be segregated in a toilet.”

Full article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/01/jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana-new-party-adnan-hussain-trans/
and also at https://archive.is/x2yMO

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AlistairSim · 01/09/2025 17:53

“Journalist “ is doing some heavy lifting.

IwantToRetire · 01/09/2025 18:44

fromorbit · 01/09/2025 18:12

Yes maybe.

But nothing like a clear FWR thread title for search engines to pick up and amplify.

And of course for those on FWR who aren't on the thread!

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 01/09/2025 19:50

None of us are free until all of us are free.

I've been reading that a lot lately, is it the new mantra, 'cos it's as crap as all the others. 🤮

deadpan · 01/09/2025 20:24

That'll be the India Willoughby who compassionately called for barbed wire across the channel to stop desperate migrants.
Sultana is either naive or deliberately conflating things to make those of us who care about women's rights sound like bigots. When will these people learn, it isn't as simple as left and right with this issue.

IwantToRetire · 17/09/2025 18:43

Your Party needs to fix up its transphobia problem sharpish

It has become a transphobic talking point to consider trans people a threat to cis women’s spaces.

But, given the plan for Your Party is for members to decide policies together, this is no guarantee that the party will firmly reject the vicious transphobia the UK is becoming famous for. After all, in their statement announcing the venture certain policies were clear.

https://www.thecanary.co/editorial/2025/09/07/your-party-transphobia/

In others words party members should never be thought to be important enough to be part of deciding party policies!

Your Party needs to fix up its transphobia problem sharpish

Your Party claims to represent the most marginalised and vulnerable people in society. That must include trans people.

https://www.thecanary.co/editorial/2025/09/07/your-party-transphobia/

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TruckDiver · 18/09/2025 07:22

I recently attended a meeting run by a left wing group in my area, intended as making an informal start to getting Your Party going, while we're waiting for the party itself to catch up. It was open spirited, friendly and positive (how long that will last is another question) 😄

About two hours with most people in the room speaking at least once. Trans wasn't even mentioned. Knowing some of the people there, I'd guess that a small minority would be dedicated TWAW, many of the rest would nod along with trans-friendly rhetoric to be kind (or just to avoid being labelled as unkind/transphobic), but how they would vote, particularly in a secret ballot, would be anyone's guess. How many would be actively GC, I don't know.

I strongly urge anyone GC even vaguely on that side of politics to join, so you can vote on the inevitable trans motions in the key early stages. You don't have to maintain your membership after that.

Merrymouse · 18/09/2025 07:36

I’ve always stood with the trans community, and I always will. The same forces targeting migrants and Muslims are attacking LGBTQ+ people, especially trans people. Our safety is in solidarity. None of us are free until all of us are free. That’s the new party we’re building. Bigotry has no place in it.

I do wonder how she functions as a constituency MP. I have to assume that she doesn’t support rules that allow religious communities to lawfully discriminate on the basis of religion, sex and sexuality, and I wonder if she has made this clear.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/09/2025 09:15

Lots more discussion about Your Party on this dedicated thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5394557-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

hholiday · 18/09/2025 09:19

Just wanted to say I think Adnan Hussain’s quotes are brilliant. So clear.

Abhannmor · 18/09/2025 10:04

' The first item on the agenda at any republican meeting is always the same : The Split.'
Brendan Behan.

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Dragonasaurus · 18/09/2025 19:51

Well good luck to them trying to reconcile the socially conservative Muslim grouping with the woke, authoritarian left….. I hear Polanski thinks it would be great to link all the left-of-labour groups together. Again, not sure where the Communists are going to fit in……

Pleasantsort · 18/09/2025 20:12

🤣🍿

FirstCuppa · 18/09/2025 20:15

Does Sultana really think the transwomen movement isn't a right wing operation? It's by men for men, at the expense of women. Not sure you can get much further right.

SidewaysOtter · 18/09/2025 21:41

Gosh, they're collapsing under the weight of their own virtue signalling already.

Who could possibly have seen that coming?!

IwantToRetire · 22/09/2025 21:21

Suzanne Moore
Zarah Sultana is right, Jeremy Corbyn does have a woman problem
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/22/zarah-sultana-jeremy-corbyn-woman-problem/

And at https://archive.is/l99s7

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IwantToRetire · 16/11/2025 21:26

Your Party in fresh trans row

Iqbal Mohamed raised ire of pro-trans co-founder Zarah Sultana by saying ‘hard-won rights of biological women must not be taken away’

Zarah Sultana, who is founding the new hard-Left party alongside Jeremy Corbyn, rebuked Iqbal Mohamed over a series of gender-critical social media posts.

Mr Mohamed, the MP for Dewsbury and Batley, said women’s rights must not be “taken away”, prompting Ms Sultana to insist a pro-trans position must be “non-negotiable” for the party.

The infighting comes just days after Adnan Hussain, the independent MP for Blackburn, quit Your Party over its “toxic culture” and following his own clash with Ms Sultana over gender identity.

In September, Mr Hussain angered activists by saying trans women are “not biologically women”. Ms Sultana then declared that “bigotry has no place” in the new hard-Left party.

Responding to an activist who welcomed Mr Hussain’s departure and claimed that he was “transphobic”, Mr Mohamed wrote on X: “Transphobic how?”

On being told it was transphobic to want “third spaces” for trans people, he hit back: “No it absolutely is not, either in logic or British law.”

Mr Mohamed added: “White or brown men shouldn’t be telling or forcing biological women to give up their rights and private spaces to other biological men, black, white, brown or trans.

“What about the biological women’s rights? They have rights which I will always fight to protect. I also believe in the human rights of all trans and LGBTQ+ people but not by taking away the hard-won rights of women.”

Part of a much longer article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/11/16/your-party-in-fresh-trans-row-corbyn-zultana/ and can be read in full at https://archive.is/KLiRu

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IwantToRetire · 16/11/2025 22:11

Personally, I dont like it when newspapers talk about infighting.

This is about a clear policy difference, which is about how a party represents itself to potential votes, and in doing this makes a statement about its values.

In fighting is personal attacks, and vying for power etc.. Although maybe on the surface about policy is as likely to be personal vendettas etc..

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