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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scotgov consult on adding women and girls as pc to hate crime law.

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ArabellaScott · 28/08/2025 19:48

https://www.gov.scot/news/protecting-women-and-girls-from-hate-crime/

'Consultation on draft regulations.

Women and girls will have greater protection against hate crimes under plans being consulted upon by the Scottish Government.
Draft regulations have been laid in Parliament to add ‘sex’ as a characteristic to the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021.
If agreed, the regulations will make it a criminal offence to stir up hatred against women and girls, as well as men and boys, because of their sex, which is defined as biological sex. The regulations will also enable courts to treat crimes motivated by hatred of someone's sex as aggravated offences, which are considered more serious.

This would mean women and girls have the same legal safeguards available under the Act to groups targeted by hate crime because of their age, disability, religion, sexual orientation, transgender identity and variations in sex characteristics. Freedom of expression is built into the Act, which was passed by the Scottish Parliament in March 2021.

A consultation paper seeking views on the plans, which were announced in May, has been published. It will remain open until 10 October and responses will inform consideration of the final regulations to be laid in Parliament.
Justice Secretary Angela Constance said:

“We must send a strong message to victims, perpetrators, communities and wider society that offences motivated by prejudice and hatred against women and girls will not be tolerated.

“Adding the characteristic of sex to the Hate Crime Act will ensure that women and girls have the same protections as victims who are targeted because of a specific characteristic, such as age, religion or disability. Men and boys will also be protected, however, we know that women and girls suffer significantly more from threats, abuse and harassment based on their sex, so they are likely to benefit most from these new legal protections.

“This will add to a range of general laws that can be used to prosecute aspects of misogynistic harassment and abuse. However, criminal law reform alone cannot eliminate abuse against women and girls, or the attitudes which perpetuate it; men must play an active role in identifying, challenging and changing the misogynistic and negative attitudes and behaviours that underpin the abuse of, and violence against, women and girls.”

Background
Draft SSI

Consultation

As required by law, the draft Scottish Statutory Instrument (SSI) to enact the change has to be laid in Parliament for at least 40 days for views to be offered. The responses to the public consultation will help inform consideration of the final SSI to be laid in Parliament for approval.

The Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act was passed by Parliament in 2021 and implemented on 1 April 2024. It introduced new offences for threatening and/or abusive behaviour which is intended to stir up hatred against a group of people who possess, or appear to possess, characteristics including age, disability, religion, sexual orientation, transgender identity and variations in sex characteristics. These new offences have a higher threshold for a crime to be committed than the long-standing offence of stirring up racial hatred, which has been in place since 1986.

There are protections in the Act for individuals’ rights in respect to freedom of expression for the new stirring up hatred offences. Hate crime is behaviour that is both criminal and rooted in prejudice and can be verbal, physical, online or face-to-face.'

Protecting women and girls from hate crime

Consultation on draft regulations.

https://www.gov.scot/news/protecting-women-and-girls-from-hate-crime/

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ArabellaScott · 28/08/2025 19:49

https://news.stv.tv/politics/scottish-government-consultation-to-add-women-and-girls-as-protected-characteristic-under-hate-crime-bill-begins

'The draft regulation includes a definition of sex as meaning “biological sex”, with a note published alongside the regulations stating the definition was prompted by the judgment of the UK Supreme Court earlier this year against Scottish ministers, which defined sex as biological sex in the Equality Act 2010.
A consultation has opened regarding the proposals. It will close on October 10.'

Consultation to add women and girls as protected characteristic under hate crime bill begins

The update would make it a criminal offence to stir up hatred against women and girls, as well as men and boys, because of their sex.

https://news.stv.tv/politics/scottish-government-consultation-to-add-women-and-girls-as-protected-characteristic-under-hate-crime-bill-begins

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Thelnebriati · 28/08/2025 20:05

Scuse me, I'm just having another eyebrows in hairline moment.

singthing · 28/08/2025 20:12

ScotGov are completely schizophrenic.

deadpan · 28/08/2025 20:33

It's obviously good that they're recognising biology, finally. I guess I've just never really understood the point of labelling crimes "hate crimes". What's the difference between attacking someone to steal what they have and to attack someone because you hate them being East Asian or female etc If they sustain the same injuries what makes a "hate crime" worse? And it seems to have lead to this "non hate crime incident" situation.

ArabellaScott · 28/08/2025 20:34

deadpan · 28/08/2025 20:33

It's obviously good that they're recognising biology, finally. I guess I've just never really understood the point of labelling crimes "hate crimes". What's the difference between attacking someone to steal what they have and to attack someone because you hate them being East Asian or female etc If they sustain the same injuries what makes a "hate crime" worse? And it seems to have lead to this "non hate crime incident" situation.

The argument is that 'hate crimes' are extra damaging to society, I think.

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deadpan · 28/08/2025 20:42

ArabellaScott · 28/08/2025 20:34

The argument is that 'hate crimes' are extra damaging to society, I think.

Oh ok. Aren't we going to get to the stage where so many people insist crimes against them should be hate crimes so we'll end up with all crime will be hate crimes 🤔

MyAmpleSheep · 28/08/2025 21:11

deadpan · 28/08/2025 20:42

Oh ok. Aren't we going to get to the stage where so many people insist crimes against them should be hate crimes so we'll end up with all crime will be hate crimes 🤔

That's not an issue. Then we can start with hate hate crimes, to distinguish them from hate crimes. Or "really hate" crimes. Perhaps a public consultation on nomenclature would help, but you get the drift.

ShrankLastWinter · 29/08/2025 09:51

The SC judgement makes this possible, now that biological sex clearly remains a stable category in UK law. When they were trying to blur sex and gender, they had to avoid doing this.

ArabellaScott · 29/08/2025 12:49

ShrankLastWinter · 29/08/2025 09:51

The SC judgement makes this possible, now that biological sex clearly remains a stable category in UK law. When they were trying to blur sex and gender, they had to avoid doing this.

That is crediting them with a fair amount of thoughtful consideration of outcomes. Generous.

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ShrankLastWinter · 29/08/2025 13:23

😆fair enough, maybe too much credit. But I suppose what I mean is that this makes it clear that trans activists were the reason sex wasn't on this list in the first place. They didn't want it there because it could have interfered with their conflation of sex and gender identity. The SC judgement removes that block.

MyrtleLion · 29/08/2025 15:41

It shouldn’t just be women and girls though. Sex is a protected characteristic so I see no reason why hate crimes should be restricted to women or to particular religious beliefs. Nearly all the PCs embrace everyone - belief covers atheists as well as the religious, as does sexual orientation and race.

They have to be extra speshul. And sadly perceived discrimination in favour of some groups is stirring up hatred already.

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