The Australian - tw brought up at opening of stillbirth study 😔

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By the CE of SA Women and Girls Health Network

https://archive.ph/zK07O

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/health/mental-health/health-officials-trans-stillbirth-remark-fuels-woke-health-row/news-story/d1f5dfb3f49033002785ec

JKR has twiXed about it.

I read this earlier in the week. It is very grim that this was ever considered by this politician to be acceptable behaviour. There is no way to frame this to be acceptable.

Oh my god what have I just read. Unbelievable.

When they say transgender woman, do they think trans identified males, or trans identified females?

Saying "we will use the word woman, but we mean TIF by that as well" would actually make some sense.

If they mean TIM it is really bad, because specifically including feelings of TIM in a discussion while forgetting about TIF would show it was just a performative nod without any thinking involved, and would sound incredibly exclusionary in the end.

This terminology is so unclear it could mean anything (especially in Australia)

She is a "bit thick" as she totallllly only sees the men as being important in a women only issue.

And saying that men cant give birth after "trans hand waving" over TIMs shows she was totally penis focused when it comes to people she classed as transgender if she ignores the "men" TIF who can get pregnant.

(And what would make one mans grief less important than another too😬 )

I believe it was referring to male people.

if I remember correctly the politician acknowledged that the sub-group they referred to would never be able to be pregnancy.

I think this clarifies the issue.

“Health Minister Chris Picton also defended Ms Graham, saying: “I really don’t think Ms Graham was suggesting that men can give birth. I have spoken to the chair of the committee who told me that Ms Graham gave two hours of evidence on this important issue with a passionate focus on the impact on the women and families,” Mr Picton said”

I’ve never forgotten reading this. Nor the full transcript of her evidence to the Preterm Birth Committee where she describes the impact of this dehumanisation on her mental health.

Ms Curran added how there appears to have been no research by the NHS on the impact of these language changes on women.

'No one appears to have taken into account the impact of loss of these terms on women who have lost babies,' she said.

'We can erase our language without any medically-backed research and not understanding the impact it is having.'

She told the Lords in the group, which includes Baroness Cumberlege and Lord Winston, how she lost her baby Sinead after she suffered [PPROM] at 24 weeks in 2010.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13108207/Grieving-mother-gripping-teddy-memory-late-daughter-slams-dehumanising-NHS-erasure-terms-like-mother.html

https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/14291/html/

She’s an author on a recent paper that I’ll post separately.

I remember reading this and feeling an even stronger understanding that the language demands that support these gender identities are very harmful despite the constant blind assurance that it is kind and harmless.

I think there are problems with indigenous Australians and this tokenism ‘shows’ how nice they truly are to poor unfortunate minorities, ditto NZ

Ciara Curran is an author on this paper for which I’ve created a separate thread.

Munzer, M., Jameson, N., Harris, A. et al. Sex and Gender Identity: Data Collection and Language Considerations for Human Research Ethics Committees and Researchers. J Acad Ethics 23, 1399–1414 (2025). https://doi.org/10.1007/s10805-025-09605-3

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5398201-pressure-to-prioritise-gender-identity-over-sex-in-research-and-publications?

I can’t see the article. Please can someone tell me what it is about and what the acronym CE is?

This story exemplifies just how dehumanising, misogynistic and exclusionary trans ideology is. Imagine even thinking you need to mention men claiming to be women when discussing stillbirth.
I often comment that trans ideology trashes everything it touches but incidents like this demonstrate how inherently cruel it is. No group of women or girls can ever be discussed without first talking the knee to this group of men. The fact this is demonstrated by a woman presenting a report that supposedly centres bereaved mothers shows the casual cruelty of everyone involved.

CE is Chief Executive.

It also lays bare how it's only the men that matter in trans ideology - trans identifying females are completely ignored, even though they can potentially be affected by miscarriage and stillbirth. But no, we have to centre the men in case their feelings are hurt.

I have a strong memory of someone being visited by health officials in her own home to discuss what had happened. They kept policing her use of sex-based terms.

I thought it was Curran but it must have been someone else.

Dies anyone remember?

I don't understand what she's talking about. There is certainly a case for including trans men in discussions about stillbirth. There is also a case for including men in general - fathers are affected by stillbirth too, often profoundly so. But specifically trans women? I would say that they are probably the group least likely to be affected by stillbirth. It makes no sense.

Ms Graham gave two hours of evidence on this important issue with a passionate focus on the impact on the women and families,” Mr Picton said

But because she shit the bed by prefacing it with concern for men who might feel excluded she might as well spent the subsequent two hours doing bird impressions.

Or perhaps it was so jawdroppingly stupid the subject is getting coverage it might not have otherwise 🤔

Which is why we all need to stop using the phrase “transwomen” to describe Trans Identifying Men.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then call it a duck.

Trans Identifying Men is what they are.

What a bloody weird thing to say.

Obviously both male and female people are affected by stillbirth, in almost equal numbers, because every child has both a father and a mother. (Disregarding sperm donors and absent fathers makes the number of fathers affected slightly smaller than the number of mothers affected.)

Trans people are far less likely to reproduce than just about any other demographic of adults their age, for fairly obvious reasons. I would argue that they are therefore less affected by stillbirth than just about anyone else, and yet for some reason they still have to be centre stage.

I don't remember I am afraid.

What the actual fuck? I assumed before clicking on the link that she must have meant trans identifying women and was clarifying that when talking about "mothers" and "women" she included them to. Why on earth should trans identifying men be included in a discussion around stillbirth? It's just weird. There are loads of groups of people who can't get pregnant - why a special shout-out for trans identifying men?

I imagine women with DSDs were pretty furious to be teamed with TiMs as well. Only in Australia - or Tranada, perhaps?