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Who‘s coming to FiLIA?

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lanadelgrey · 23/08/2025 10:33

I‘m starting to get excited.
Are there plans for a MN meetup?

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Shinyredbicycle · 14/10/2025 17:11

Thingybob · 14/10/2025 14:37

Do you mean this statement? Sorry it's not specific or enough for me

FiLiA’s goal is to bring women together, to build sisterhood and solidarity.
We are being divided by multiple forces, which aim to weaken our unity, shared humanity and the women's movement. Men's wars and men's institutions will never prioritise women.
We need to keep building the women's liberation movement, to raise our collective consciousness, to name and identify all the ways we are oppressed, to build sisterhood, and work together to take down male supremacy.
That is what FiLiA is for, to hold and defend the space to do that. To bring women together, of all faiths and none, even with our differences and disagreements. And to remind us that women come first, all women.
In Sisterhood and Solidarity,
The FiLiA Trustees

No, me neither. But given that it was written in the middle of the night between days 2 and 3 of the conference, I'll take it for now.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/10/2025 17:11

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 14/10/2025 16:59

It’s unbelievable that people (who should know better, being feminists and all) still fail to understand the huge risks involved in the work Tinsel does. ‘Difficult to deal with’ = She has very strong principles & boundaries, and has not compromised on those for anyone. Not for a platform, not for publicity, not for any reason whatsoever. Because she fully appreciates & understands the importance of the safeguarding required to do what she does. And that’s why many women trust her implicitly.

I think Filia would do well to learn from her strong principles & boundaries. They could have done with someone like her to deal with the clusterfuck at the weekend. They should have given her the respect she’s earned through her hard work. What they did was poor form & and indication of poor leadership & even poorer decision making by those with that responsibility.

For me, I think I’d say well done, tinsel, for sticking to your principles & boundaries, even if it does place you, in the ‘difficult women’ box, for some. I’d far rather be in that box with you!

This, I can’t believe how shabbily she is being treated.

EdithStourton · 14/10/2025 17:23

Talkinpeace · 14/10/2025 16:04

No.
The women and children were released many months ago.
Hamas are awful
but THAT is a conspiracy theory.

Some of them were 'released' in coffins.
Remember Shiri Bibas and her two little boys?

Olderbadger1 · 14/10/2025 17:54

whatwouldafeministdo · 14/10/2025 14:32

Did they distance themselves from the speaker they'd invited who said she wouldn't condemn Hamas? (including presumably horrific Hamas male violence against Jewish women)

If you are referring to the opening speaker, I was there and she didn't say that. She has put out a recording and transcript of her speech where she talks of 'the evil of Hamas' and 'evil of the fascist government that is running Israel'.

I absolutely agree it was, at the very least, ill-judged, and her attempt to lead a 'free Palestine' chant has caused a colossal amount of understandable distress (including within the FiLiA team). It also set off a chain reaction which has infected what was otherwise a moving, inspiring, powerful, thoughtful, event, and taken the spotlight away from the over 200 speakers - and the colossal amount of work undertaken by volunteers to make this happen.

I have been attending FiLiA conferences for the past six years, and more recently been involved as a volunteer. It's not perfect - how could it be - but I sincerely believe that the organisation does its absolute best to be true to its mission: to build sisterhood and solidarity; amplify the voices of women; defend women's human rights. If it doesn't always live up to those aims it's not for lack of trying.

GailBlancheViola · 14/10/2025 18:24

That is what FiLiA is for, to hold and defend the space to do that. To bring women together, of all faiths and none, even with our differences and disagreements. And to remind us that women come first, all women.
In Sisterhood and Solidarity,

This part of the statement is disingenuous at best. FiLiA is quite clearly NOT for all women it is not for KJK and anyone who dares to use a picture of her in some art, it is not for Jean Hatchett, it is not for Aja, it is not for TinselAngel, it is not, going on this weekend's events, for Jewish women.

FiLiA seems to be only for those the core group like and who hold the same views as them.

There is a distinct lack of Sisterhood and Solidarity on display.

Mollyollydolly · 14/10/2025 18:26

PronounssheRa · 14/10/2025 17:01

Members of TWV have been explicitly pro Hamas and were on panels at Filia.

Out of everything that went on, this is the most serious issue for me and the issue that Filia really need to address. How did women who explicitly support a proscribed terrorist organisation end up being platformed at the event.

This. Fights and piss ups, 'she said, she said' I'm prepared to overlook all that, but they platformed some seriously dodgy women (while banning others who've done amazing work). They need to look at their governance. I was really looking forward to next year as it's in my patch but there will have to be some serious changes before I'd go now. I would imagine, although they won't say so publicly that some of the organisations that attended are horrified at what they've been associated with.
And edited to add .. I thought the opening speech was appalling. No mention of the Jewish women who were raped and murdered, called Israel (the only democratic state in the region) fascist. It would have been so easy to condemn all VAW, both in Gaza and Israel and elsewhere in the world and for women to unite against it in sisterhood. But she did exactly the opposite. And yes I've read her speech and thought it was worse than Julia Long's description of it. The fact that she published it on X and couldn't see why people were upset by it is astonishing.

ArcheryAnnie · 14/10/2025 18:40

Mollyollydolly · 14/10/2025 18:26

This. Fights and piss ups, 'she said, she said' I'm prepared to overlook all that, but they platformed some seriously dodgy women (while banning others who've done amazing work). They need to look at their governance. I was really looking forward to next year as it's in my patch but there will have to be some serious changes before I'd go now. I would imagine, although they won't say so publicly that some of the organisations that attended are horrified at what they've been associated with.
And edited to add .. I thought the opening speech was appalling. No mention of the Jewish women who were raped and murdered, called Israel (the only democratic state in the region) fascist. It would have been so easy to condemn all VAW, both in Gaza and Israel and elsewhere in the world and for women to unite against it in sisterhood. But she did exactly the opposite. And yes I've read her speech and thought it was worse than Julia Long's description of it. The fact that she published it on X and couldn't see why people were upset by it is astonishing.

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I thought her speech at the opening ceremony was appalling, too - and she doesn't appear to regret it one bit.

I would add, though, that it wasn't the opening speech - she was one of a number of speakers. And she allegedly had been asked not to bring Palestine into her speech, and agreed, so this was a betrayal of the rest of the speakers and the FiLiA team as well as the rest of the attendees.

I spoke to the compere over the weekend - she'd been out the back of the stage between introducing each speaker, and she apparently knew there was a kerfuffle but not the details, so just thought it best to move the opening session along without trying to address it. Which - since she's not a trustee or a decision-maker, but a presenter - would I suspect probably be what she'd do even if she had heard the details, IDK.

MurkyWeather2 · 14/10/2025 18:52

GailBlancheViola · 14/10/2025 18:24

That is what FiLiA is for, to hold and defend the space to do that. To bring women together, of all faiths and none, even with our differences and disagreements. And to remind us that women come first, all women.
In Sisterhood and Solidarity,

This part of the statement is disingenuous at best. FiLiA is quite clearly NOT for all women it is not for KJK and anyone who dares to use a picture of her in some art, it is not for Jean Hatchett, it is not for Aja, it is not for TinselAngel, it is not, going on this weekend's events, for Jewish women.

FiLiA seems to be only for those the core group like and who hold the same views as them.

There is a distinct lack of Sisterhood and Solidarity on display.

SocFems: And to remind us that women come first, all women.
Also SocFems: not those women

Yawhat · 14/10/2025 19:06

ArealAdultHumanFemale · 14/10/2025 01:31

Irony?
After all the rape, desecration, murder at a dance festival
All you can come up with is you think "that's ironic?"

What are you havering about?

It is ironic.

PriOn1 · 14/10/2025 19:16

inkognitha · 13/10/2025 15:50

Many leading/public figures in the women’s movement need to have a hard look at their leadership style, wonder how far they have fallen into their own hype, main character energy and Last King of Scotland-type adulation from their groupies, write down 500 times the Dworkin quote about feminism being for all women until they get that FiLiA was the place where they should have made the effort to put all women first, grow up a little with their personal beefs and feuds and twitter spats and name calling and rise above. And to be able to hold their drinks or stay home. On all sides.

And for the love of the gods i don’t believe in, when someone apologises, rather than sniding “not enough”, think “not enough but a step nonetheless in the right direction”, that’s how you build respect and tolerance and a community for all women.

I hope FiLiA will ask attendees and speakers from next year to solemnly commit to respect Andrea’s Dworkin quote and to behave accordingly for the duration of the conference and towards all other attendees.

#rantover

“And for the love of the gods i don’t believe in, when someone apologises, rather than sniding “not enough”, think “not enough but a step nonetheless in the right direction”, that’s how you build respect and tolerance and a community for all women.”

Not sure if this was a criticism of me saying that an unofficial sort of statement made by someone kind of representing FiLiA didn’t really help, but really, the offensive action took place on the main stage in the biggest event of the weekend, attended probably by the majority of attendees.

Any apology should have been official and made to all those who attended that event and may have been upset.

If, as was claimed, they had asked speakers not to do this, then it would have been perfectly reasonable (indeed sensible) to quickly state that the views expressed were not those of those running FiLiA and that speakers had been asked not to do this. They should have apologized to anyone who was upset and made it clear all women were welcome.

Any competent event organiser, having realised this was a risk (otherwise they would not have had to warn speakers) should have given thought to what they would do if it did.

I haven’t done events management, but I have done customer and client care. When something has gone wrong with your product or service and you are clearly responsible (they invited the speaker and are therefore responsible for how she acted) then a genuine apology and stating (and meaning) that you will be doing x, y and z to resolve it is one of the ways to create truly loyal customers/clients.

John Boyne showed how it was done. I bet he’s gained thousands of new readers after his genuine apology to Glinner.

Making excuses, mimimising, both sides-ing” and handwringing about how “it was awful she shat on our stage” are all ways of showing people you aren’t really sorry and have no intention of doing the right thing.

And if that’s the case, then your product will remain under that cloud.

They may have plenty of other clients/customers and don’t care about losing some. Maybe secretly, they agreed with the sentiments of the woman who “shat on the stage” and are glad to see the back of those who were upset. Or maybe they’re incompetent.

Their clients, present and potential, have no way of knowing which of those it was, or if it was something else instead, but not making that apology leaves the stage open for people to assume any or all of those reasons and to discuss it at length.

A swift statement of what went wrong, where they stood and what they intended to do to stop it happening again would have meant we would probably be discussing what a good time we had at FiLiA and looking forward to Blackpool. The failure to do so is the reason this thread is filled with pissed off people on both sides.

Shinyredbicycle · 14/10/2025 19:42

I don't agree. Whatever statement FiLia put out at this moment in time wouldn't be enough or right because the women need time to sleep, process, listen, read, think, process, reflect, talk, think some more, discuss, think some more and so on.

It's Tuesday. They were still packing up the venue 48 hrs ago.

Thingybob · 14/10/2025 19:51

Shinyredbicycle · 14/10/2025 19:42

I don't agree. Whatever statement FiLia put out at this moment in time wouldn't be enough or right because the women need time to sleep, process, listen, read, think, process, reflect, talk, think some more, discuss, think some more and so on.

It's Tuesday. They were still packing up the venue 48 hrs ago.

So much for the benefits of a matriarchal society, we'd all be nuked by the time they had slept, reflected and crocheted doilies.

YouveGotNoBloodyIdea · 14/10/2025 20:37

RobinEllacotStrike · 14/10/2025 16:08

<sigh> there was no hijab stall

I was there - there was - I saw it.

ArealAdultHumanFemale · 14/10/2025 21:32

Yawhat · 14/10/2025 19:06

What are you havering about?

It is ironic.

No, it's really not

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ArealAdultHumanFemale · 14/10/2025 21:53

YouveGotNoBloodyIdea · 14/10/2025 20:37

I was there - there was - I saw it.

Yes, so did I.

And the Pro Hamas flag shagger party Woman, with the stall promoting anti Semitic ideology (allegedly invited by the CEO of FiLiA, according to the Woman with the flag on her X account)

ArealAdultHumanFemale · 14/10/2025 22:28

I'm not either pro Jewish or Pro Islam

I am pro Women.

VisitationRights · 15/10/2025 01:34

YouveGotNoBloodyIdea · 14/10/2025 20:37

I was there - there was - I saw it.

Plus there are pictures posted on X from the stall showing them, why is anyone bothering to dispute this?

Seriestwo · 15/10/2025 01:50

What the fuck is going on? All these women wittering on about a falling out at a disco, did I miss the vote where it was agreed we’d end the patriarchy?

CrocsNotDocs · 15/10/2025 02:25

A new statement. Apparently the terrorist supporting antisemite Hamas shill Lucy Masoud was not ejected. Well that clears things up. Not.

x.com/filia_charity/status/1978190291460084090?s=61

ArealAdultHumanFemale · 15/10/2025 03:18

RobinEllacotStrike · 14/10/2025 16:08

<sigh> there was no hijab stall

Yes, there was.
I was there, I saw it

ArealAdultHumanFemale · 15/10/2025 03:27

GailBlancheViola · 14/10/2025 18:24

That is what FiLiA is for, to hold and defend the space to do that. To bring women together, of all faiths and none, even with our differences and disagreements. And to remind us that women come first, all women.
In Sisterhood and Solidarity,

This part of the statement is disingenuous at best. FiLiA is quite clearly NOT for all women it is not for KJK and anyone who dares to use a picture of her in some art, it is not for Jean Hatchett, it is not for Aja, it is not for TinselAngel, it is not, going on this weekend's events, for Jewish women.

FiLiA seems to be only for those the core group like and who hold the same views as them.

There is a distinct lack of Sisterhood and Solidarity on display.

Agree.
I was there, have been for the past 6 events,
I feel sad and rather disprited having come home, this time

Dopeydoraz · 15/10/2025 05:54

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Kimes · 15/10/2025 06:30

A black lesbian feminist bravely calls out FiLiA's institutional racism and the danger they have now put her in.

Who‘s coming to FiLIA?
Who‘s coming to FiLIA?
PriOn1 · 15/10/2025 07:26

Shinyredbicycle · 14/10/2025 19:42

I don't agree. Whatever statement FiLia put out at this moment in time wouldn't be enough or right because the women need time to sleep, process, listen, read, think, process, reflect, talk, think some more, discuss, think some more and so on.

It's Tuesday. They were still packing up the venue 48 hrs ago.

And as @CrocsNotDocs has pointed out, they still found the time to put out a statement defending their friend and making sure everyone knows who it WASN’T while still leaving it vague, but accusatory about who it WAS.

As someone on X said, they really should put the spade down.