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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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WiltingAtTreadmills · 18/08/2025 10:55

"is developing" doesn't mean anyone has, or is going to, achieve this. DM will publish any old crap.

Igmum · 18/08/2025 10:57

The ethical implications of this…

Helleofabore · 18/08/2025 11:06

I saw this. It is an obvious thing that will be attempted. It may even work.

The ethics of this will be a whole other issue though.

mrshoho · 18/08/2025 11:23

I dread to imagine where this will lead onto. Once these misogynistic scientists no longer require live 'female vessels'.

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WandaSiri · 18/08/2025 11:50

Igmum · 18/08/2025 10:57

The ethical implications of this…

Absolutely.

deadpan · 18/08/2025 15:02

I feel extremely sorry for people who can't have children - obvs if they want to have them. But I can't get my head around this at all. There are plenty of unfortunate kids of all ages desperate for a loving home but living in care homes and foster care.
There are some situations where we as a human race need to stop trying the be god.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 18/08/2025 15:28

Seems like a sure fire way of creating future adults with personality disorders to me!

Now imagining a futuristic version of Frankenstein where the sociopathic babies born to robots start stalking and harming the scientists who built their ‘mothers’…

404PageNotFound · 18/08/2025 15:55

How very Brave New World. Women really are seen as just vessels, aren't we? Holes to poke and wombs to incubate.

turkeyboots · 18/08/2025 15:57

I'd love this. I hate being pregnant so much and birth is horrific. But am sure there is a million issues with it!

Helleofabore · 18/08/2025 16:03

turkeyboots · 18/08/2025 15:57

I'd love this. I hate being pregnant so much and birth is horrific. But am sure there is a million issues with it!

Yes. A million issues.

for one every single hormone and substance that is put into that infant is not likely at all to be naturally produced by that infant’s mother. It will be artificially synthesised with little understanding what this will do to that infant.

In addition, the is no interactive connection between mother and foetus. I mean, if you want an infant that has had no association with the mother, this is the way to do it.

Helleofabore · 18/08/2025 16:04

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 18/08/2025 15:28

Seems like a sure fire way of creating future adults with personality disorders to me!

Now imagining a futuristic version of Frankenstein where the sociopathic babies born to robots start stalking and harming the scientists who built their ‘mothers’…

Yep.

Way to disassociate a child from its mother from the start.

turkeyboots · 18/08/2025 16:29

The gaps between perception and reality always interest me. Science barely understands human bodies, and women's bodies even less so, but science fiction writers (largely females ones) have been proposing some sort of artificial womb for decades. As a tool of risk management, liberation from biology etc etc as well as a handy plot device. I can see how it creeps into acceptable research, to save us all poor women from the risk and pain. But reality is something else as PP point out.

Helleofabore · 18/08/2025 16:31

They have grown a lamb in a bag. This is just an extension of that.

mrshoho · 18/08/2025 16:33

The humanoid will be equipped with an artificial womb that receives nutrients through a hose, experts said.

It's chilling just reading that. A fucking hose! When you think about the intricacies of the placenta providing all the nutrients and the constant connection back and forth between a mother and the baby.

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puffyisgood · 18/08/2025 16:40

it'd be unthinkably unfair for a foetus, incapable of consent, to be used as a guinea pig for this tech.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 18/08/2025 17:04

turkeyboots · 18/08/2025 16:29

The gaps between perception and reality always interest me. Science barely understands human bodies, and women's bodies even less so, but science fiction writers (largely females ones) have been proposing some sort of artificial womb for decades. As a tool of risk management, liberation from biology etc etc as well as a handy plot device. I can see how it creeps into acceptable research, to save us all poor women from the risk and pain. But reality is something else as PP point out.

Totally.

in theory: great! No more birth injuries for women

in reality: corporations say ‘no more maternity leave necessary for health of mother and baby, so do away with ALL parental leave because: equality. Have the babies raised by robot nursemaids who hose them with formula, vibrate their cradles and lift them every 20 mins to prevent skull flat spots. Parents can collect their purchases from the warehouse when the baby can walk independently and immediately sign baby into the toddler care facility across the car park. Don’t be late back to the desk tho’

IwantToRetire · 18/08/2025 17:09

Strangely enough for anyone who knows their feminist history, Shulamith Firestone a highly respected radical feminist, argued that the only way women would be free, is if they were free from having to bear children.

https://teoriaevolutiva.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/firestone-shulamith-dialectic-sex-case-feminist-revolution.pdf

https://teoriaevolutiva.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/firestone-shulamith-dialectic-sex-case-feminist-revolution.pdf

mrshoho · 18/08/2025 18:41

Thank you @IwantToRetire . I'm going to read it later.

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Cerialkiller · 18/08/2025 18:57

There's no way they are anywhere close to this being reality.

The lamb in a bag mentioned above was actually a fully formed lamb, born premature and put in the 'womb' for 4 weeks to keep it alive before removing to more conventional intensive medical care. Excellent research for increasing the survivability of premature babies certainly and maybe one step in the direction of fully autonomus wombs but a lot goes on between fertilisation and birth which hasn't been replicated mechanically, if it happens it's decades away and highly unlikely to replace 'natural pregnancy' as it will be more expensive. It will just replace surrogacy for the rich while the rest of humanity carries on as normal.

titchy · 18/08/2025 18:58

Helleofabore · 18/08/2025 16:31

They have grown a lamb in a bag. This is just an extension of that.

That was premature lambs though, not as a replacement for the entire pregnancy.

IwantToRetire · 18/08/2025 20:00

mrshoho · 18/08/2025 18:41

Thank you @IwantToRetire . I'm going to read it later.

Have just checked as I realised it was a few decades old, but turns out it is 55 years old!

I wonder how it will seem in the context of 2025 and the growth of trans ideology.

DrBlackbird · 18/08/2025 22:02

Not sure if the image is AI generated or it’s an actual representation of the robot but why does it have to have breasts? Ironic that on the one hand scientists are working to make the female body redundant yet can only make the robot acceptable and unthreatening by replicating the female body.

HagsRule · 18/08/2025 22:33

Where's that Jurassic park gif when you need it?

https://images.app.goo.gl/nNrzzoNe17xbSvYU8

https://images.app.goo.gl/nNrzzoNe17xbSvYU8

HagsRule · 18/08/2025 22:34

In all seriousness, this is horrifying and the implications are not worth thinking about...

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