Nottingham trans friendly plans. GC unfriendly perhaps

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Plans for Rainbow Quarter beyond 'wildest dreams' except that it's not my dream. 🥺
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn8425019elo.amp

I really feel that the TQ++++ has no place in my LGB values and experience. This saddens me and feels regressive (again).

So an area to avoid if you prefer single sex loos? Not sure that's legal but nice to be prewarned I guess.

You mean businesses in that area are willing to harass and discriminate aga8nst customers based on protected characteristics?

Well the display of progress pride flags year round is a signal that one of the businesses is LGBTQ+ friendly but I was not aware until recently that the businesses in that area were all considered to be so. (I doubt that some of them had any say). I don't think that they are harassing and discriminating on the basis of the PC of GC belief. They are focusing on being kind to the 'most oppressed'. Someone who runs events there told me that there was a huge surge in hate shown against the LGBTQ+ community in this town. He advises the police in the area. I asked about whether this was as a result of non-crime hate incident reporting. He did not answer but has avoided me since. Which is a shame as he is a nice guy and well intentioned (just blinkered about anything but his cause). I genuinely wanted to know whether this was some people feeling unsafe, perceiving misgendering as hate and dangerous.

If you see him again you could ask why he thinks hate comes against women are not recorded.

What is your response to the first part of the post? Why do TRAs feel so aggrieved about the existence of LGB organisations and events? I assumed that there was a concern that this would lead to the demise of LGBT+ organisations and events. However, if the vast majority of LGBs want to include the T, why object to the few having their own organisations and events? I am sure LGB and LGBT organisations do not object to the Ts having their own organisations and events. Why the double standard?

The stats that refute your claim: I get that it’s frustrating for the minority of transphobic gay and lesbian people that the vast majority of gay and lesbian people support our trans siblings and value their inclusion within our community. 😉

Tumbleweed, because there are no stats that support to support @PlanetJanette . Most of the people who've been speaking out against GI for years have been lesbians and a few gay men, because it was lesbian communities, in particular, that bore the brunt of the misogyny and homophobia of men who identified as women.

You only have to look at the furore that Bev and Kate kicked off when they started LGB Alliance to see how scared of LGB independence the TQ+ are. Remember when Jolyon and Mermaids tried to get their charity status removed and Stonewall's staff were revealed in all their GI madness?

LGB people have been used as a human shield for the TQ+ (particularly, the unknown but dodgy +) to hide behind. If the LGB remove themselves, it leaves the TQ+ exposed in all its pink and blue, fetishistic, ND, medicalised, misogynistic, homophobic glory.

Sexual orientation is a protected characteristic and its abhorrent to see gay men and lesbians called 'transphobic'. No one should have to stand up for their right to be same sex attracted. No one trying to undermine that right is involved in a civil or human rights movement.
Homophobia is not compatible with feminism. Its not a protected belief, its not WORIADS and its one of the many reasons I am not a free speech absolutist.

It is certainly true that the trans movement is not a civil or human rights movement.

As for homophobia not being a protected belief - well that depends on your definition of homophobia because Islam is both a protected belief and homophobic.

I don't know the area but I suspect that they are mainly smaller shops with a single lockable mixed toilet anyway.

I read that as Nottingham trams.

I must call the opticians 😁

It will also be interesting to see if they install/paint rainbow pedestrian crosses now that its known that it doesn't work for everybody and can cause confusion.

Oh don’t be silly

that poster is obviously recommending blackpool as a good place to go

my boy would recommend Brighton and benidorm 😀

Yes. What this come really means is that there will be no single sex spaces (although they may be mislabelled as single sex to catch out the unwary), anyone who doesn’t believe in gender identity will be abused and banned, and judging by the sexualised elements on show at Pride marches, won’t be an area suitable for children either.

So discrimination against people on grounds of age, belief, sex, sexual orientation and possibly race (racism is rife among trans activists). Well done Nottingham council, you’ll get a full house if you try harder. Not very PSED of you.

Exactly. Well said.

I think what is meant is that businesses in this zone are willing to undertake training in not misgendering TQ+ visitors and willing to bar any customers who do this.

But does that mean that all of the businesses have agreed on this beforehand, and thus have become a designated area on the strength of that; or does it mean that some businesses in the zone are in agreement, and so, after the area is designated, the other businesses are now going to be forced to not 'misgender' visitors, and of course have any passionately and decisively-held GC beliefs completely overruled and denied?

Might they suddenly find that their community where they've happily traded for years is suddenly no longer safe for them and see them forced out?

Given the TRAs love of vandalism, I doubt that they could find a shop or small business owner in the area that was against this.

Well, I am not gay but I know - because I have lived there - that Blackpool is extremely gay friendly, the Brighton of the north with cheaper prices (esp beer!). So whatever mask you think I have slipped you have mistaken it. I am a GC rad fem (I did not know I was this but apparently my attitudes towards porn and prostitution and surrogacy make me one) and am happy for people to live as they choose. I am not happy at men entering female spaces of any sort, however, in whatever way they identify. And decent men do not enter such spaces.

Yes I am aware of Blackpool’s gay scene. The point is that directing people of Nottingham to a city hundreds of miles away if they want somewhere gay friendly, as opposed to having a similar area in their own community, is highly illuminating.

Yes I am aware of Blackpool’s gay scene. The point is that directing people of Nottingham to a city hundreds of miles away if they want somewhere gay friendly, as opposed to having a similar area in their own community, is highly illuminating.

As far as I can see, this area is already "gay friendly" and is already known as such.
This is just a politician throwing some money (that they don't have) and putting a label on it for votes.

Ah, I was assuming there were at least some bars or something. I can't remember the area either and I used to live in Nottingham. Maybe that's why they are trying to jazz it up...

I think you have misunderstood the post.

She's not saying "get out of Nottingham and get thee to Blackpool".

She's just saying Blackpool is a gay friendly place where people can also go.

I do appreciate your illuminations joke, though, assuming that's what it was.

I lived in Nottingham for a while in my twenties and worked and socialized in that area. It was definitely not a gay village type area then.

It had very cool bars, the arts cinema and more of an arty crowd I guess. Most likely there were some gay bars, I can't remember. I think there was one heading down towards the ice rink road...not sure.

It seems odd to me to claim an area with a label like this. Maybe it's a good thing for the businesses but when I think about my workmates and the crowd i used to go out with, we definitely wouldn't have been going to gay bars regularly. Nothing against them of course, it just was not a gay area exclusively. I wonder if this will completely change the vibe. Maybe it's changed anyway in the decades since I left.

I found the claim in the article that they were acknowledging what was already a gay area was strange. Certainly was mixed when I lived there.

I can see how making it a destination would be desirable for the local economy though.

Oh don’t talk rubbish….

i told ds1 the other day that he should go to Manchester for the gay scene

it in no way was i saying get out of my sight and move away!

though if he did move to benidorm thats my holidays sorted 🤔