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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Herald headline about NHS Fife

31 replies

Dumbo12 · 14/08/2025 11:54

I can't access the full article, but it appears that NHS Fife have admitted that they broke the law, by not having carried out an equality impact assessment, prior to allowing Dr Upton to use the female changing room.

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moto748e · 14/08/2025 18:21

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 14/08/2025 15:49

The word 'urgent' is doing a hell of a lot of heavy lifting here.

Arf! 😁

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/08/2025 19:08

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/08/2025 14:10

If it's anything like the one ScotGov did it will only look at gender reassignment as that is what they are aiming to impact, and all of the other categories will be N/A

Exactly. This has been the case in many public organisations across all of the UK.

SpidersAreShitheads · 14/08/2025 19:33

I thought this part of NHS Fife's statement was really interesting:

"We are committed to working constructively with the EHRC to provide assurance that we fully understand, and are meeting, our obligations under the Equality Act 2010 and the Public Sector Equality Duty. This includes considering the implications of the recent Supreme Court ruling and the EHRC’s interim guidance."

I thought this might get dealt with as a slap on the wrists for not having a policy in place, and that NHS Fife would get away with having an assessment that was very pro-gender ideology. So this action from EHRC would essentially demoted to a punishment for an admin oversight rather than a full breach of equality rights.

But.....

As NHS Fife has acknowledged the SC ruling in its statement and says it will take account of the EHRC interim guidance in its Impact Assessment, surely it seems hopeful that it will have to be respectful of single-sex rights? You can't follow the guidance and the ruling, and still insist that men can enter women's spaces.

And then, if that IS the case and by 30/9 NHS Fife acknowledge that men can't enter women's spaces, what impact does that then have on the outcome of the tribunal?

DuesToTheDirt · 14/08/2025 20:16

This doesn't surprise me in the least, in fact I'd only be surprised if they HAD done one.

In any case, don't impact assessments only look at the impact on the trans people, like the Scottish prison assessment which only looked at how the TiM prisoners would like to be accommodated, and failed to ask the women who would be incarcerated with them?

DuesToTheDirt · 14/08/2025 20:18

BundleBoogie · 14/08/2025 17:40

Yes, I’ve seen an EIA done by an education trust to justify making the toilets mixed sex. It was an absolute joke. Not surprisingly it concluded that mixed sex toilets are not detrimental to girls at all 🙄

I ripped it to shreds but they stuck to their guns knowing their was nothing I could do to make them do it properly.

Wow, that's outrageous.

I hope they are in the process of reversing that decision, because they can surely be made to do so now.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/08/2025 23:31

DuesToTheDirt · 14/08/2025 20:16

This doesn't surprise me in the least, in fact I'd only be surprised if they HAD done one.

In any case, don't impact assessments only look at the impact on the trans people, like the Scottish prison assessment which only looked at how the TiM prisoners would like to be accommodated, and failed to ask the women who would be incarcerated with them?

That’s how they generally turn out, but it isn’t what they are supposed to be about.

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