"I've been spat on" - Gender non-conforming women tell of toilet abuse in aftermath of Supreme Court ruling.

[MissJoGrant]

Guardian article:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/12/ive-been-spat-on-gender-non-conforming-women-tell-of-toilet-abuse-in-aftermath-of-supreme-court-ruling

There is already a thread on this.

Im sick to death of this. Since the ruling we've all been inundated with stories about butch looking women being turfed (see what I did there) out of women's toilets. Where did all these women that look like men suddenly come from?
I've never mistaken a woman for a man my whole life and Im in my 60s.

Third thread now. Other two are still very visible.

I saw that article and was very confused by it. The woman is very obviously a woman, even to someone with prosopagnosia (face blindness) like me.

How can you know?

In all my 70 years can't ever remember seeing a woman spit at anyone - certainly not in public toilets; it's just not something we do!

I just do. Unlike so many people now I know what a woman is.

She was spat on by a man and it was him abusing her. Which is ridiculous. So by that logic I don't know why she then wants other men to access single sex spaces.

Keep all men out of women's toilets regardless of gender feelings. The man that abused her was a bog standard misogynistic idiot. This does not mean we should open up toilets to all men, including any transwomen. Because guess what?! They are also men. So, yep, her argument makes no sense.

Also there have been two or three threads on this already. It's not a gotcha.

Where does it say it was a man who spat?

Utter nonsense being repeatedly peddled by those determined to wedge men into women's spaces. Neither tale is a reason for women to be compelled to undress in front / alongside of random men in changing rooms, showers, hospital wards, dormitories or toilets.

It’s a few different incidents - the Caz one got verbally abused, then later in the article Nikki Lucas gives a list of things that have happened to her including being spat on

I only sped read it cos why waste my fucking time

Nah, we've all been inundated by a story about this woman . . .

If you read past the headline there are some good points made. I agree some people do need to change their mindset about what they expect a woman to look like:

But some suggest these concerns are being overplayed. Jenny Willmott, co-founder of Scottish Lesbians, another gender critical group that intervened in support of the For Women Scotland case, says she has been challenged in women’s toilets since she was a teenager.
Willmott explains: “I’m the best part of 6ft4in, short hair, don’t wear makeup or skirts. Barely a week goes by that I don’t get a double-take. Women glance in, see a 6ft body with short hair and think: ‘Aah!’. But after the second glance they think ‘Oh OK, it’s a woman.’” For Willmott, “it’s just something that happens. It used to bother me because we do need to broaden the bandwidth of what a biological woman looks like”.

This is true. Both of these women mentioned have had their stories published more than once. It feels like ground hog day.

And women were regularly being asked if they were in the right space. I have been numerous times in my younger years. Always just replied that yes, I was in the right toilet and my voice generally assured those other women.

So, why are women who have been asked a fairly standard question for decades and decades being weaponised as emotionally manipulative leverage to allow male people to access female only single sex spaces?

I was at one of Akua Reindorf’s talks (it was great btw). She was recalling being misgendered while very heavily pregnant and shopping for knitting needles (she is tall, slender and has a shaved head/v short hair). She just shrugs and moves on. Strangely enough the Guardian didn’t think that worthy of column inches. Can’t think why.

Here is one of the other threads where a male poster who demands female people accommodate him in female toilets is using this article as some kind of gotcha.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5390713-article-ive-been-spat-on-gender-non-conforming-women-tell-of-toilet-abuse-after-uks-supreme-court-ruling?page=1

And the other thread that was started first.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5390450-ive-been-spat-on

The point is that you wouldn't know you'd made a mistake.

If you, personally, cannot correctly identity someone’s sex class through observation and interaction, please don’t assume that your inability to do this is the universal experience. Most female people can correctly identify a male person’s sex by using male body and facial cues. It may be harder if a female person has taken testosterone but it is rare that a male person is not correctly identified.

If you're the sort of person who spits on people in public toilets you weren't waiting patiently for the supreme court ruling to come through. It's nothing to do with the ruling or anything else trans related.

Spitting on people is always wrong.
End of statement.
Now please can we be spared the endless rehashing of these stories.🙄

Imagine if all male people simply stopped using the female single sex provisions! That male people respected female people’s needs and simply didn’t use the provisions.

And yet, this doesn’t occur to many people. Thankfully, we know that there are male people with trans identities who do use the male provisions with no incidents reported. So, we know this happens, and can happen despite the demands of others. We know because they or their friends tell us that they respect female single sex provisions.

I can’t really imagine a woman spitting at another, particularly in circumstances where the spitter is suggesting the second woman doesn’t look/isn't feminine enough. If it was a woman she’d have said so, as it supports her campaign. It’ll be a bloke, being nasty.

From what I can remember from when this story came around the first time, she was in the queue for the toilets at the Royal Festival Hall (??) with her back to a man (a normal male presenting man) and he took it up on himself to challenge her presence in the female toilet queue, the other women in the queue did not challenge her. And it was him that did the spitting.

I'm afraid I can't be bothered to go back and look at the original outing of this anecdote from a couple of months back at least.

No. That's a transactivist trope to try to persuade the public that accurately sexing people is oh so impossible.

Nonsense whern it was first uttered and still nonsense.

Agreed. The minute someone answers and says "yes I'm a woman" it's pretty clear from voice. That bit is always left off the story.

Transgender activists always argue it won't be them who are stopped, it will be tall / butch lesbian women.

Then they appear to find friends who've been stopped to go to the media.