'I've been spat on'

[aWomanbyGumIndeed]

The Guardian again...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/12/ive-been-spat-on-gender-non-conforming-women-tell-of-toilet-abuse-in-aftermath-of-supreme-court-rulinI

"Caz Coronel was standing in the queue for the ladies’ at the Royal Festival Hall on London’s South Bank when she registered a male voice shouting across the vestibule: “The men’s toilets are on this side!”"

So abusive men are a reason for women not to have spaces away from men? Is that her argument?

I'm not sure I'm willing to read further.

So a woman who has been assaulted by a man thinks this is reason enough to justify letting men into women’s toilets? It’s insane.

This sounds like misogynistic homophobia.

None of the women pictured look male.

it's good that they spoke to Jenny Willmott.

Both of the 2 main stories were reported several months ago. Caz in May and Jolyon’s wife (not sure when). The M&S one is weird. All the CRs are mixed sex now, but M&S seem to have kept this quiet. If they had I imagine the women would not have been questioned.

I thought it was very interesting that the two named examples were the same two stories that are used over and over again on social media as examples of this happening. One is a woman who supposedly reacted to being challenged by offering to show a strange man her breasts.... and the other is the foxbotherer's wife who coincidentally had this incident shortly after the fox botherer was claiming this happened all the time online. She does not look remotely masculine.
I don't doubt some more masculine women might be challenged but both these incidents are stretching credulity.

I can see without even zooming in that she’s a woman, so I’m not convinced that the twat in question who spat at her actually thought she was a bloke. He’s just a misogynist looking for an excuse to abuse women.

In these scenarios the assumption seems to be that the people involved are both aware of the SC judgement and under the impression that TIMs usually present in a masculine or androgynous way. This doesn't sound plausible.

I do however believe that antipathy to 'woke' ideology has made it more acceptable to be homophobic in some circles.

In the mastectomy story, the other woman was apparently under the impression that Claire Prihartini was a trans woman who instead of having breast implants, had had an operation that left a scar and removed nipples.

I'm sure that some members of the public are that stupid, but the problem was not the SC ruling.

It wouldn't surprise me if Foxfinder General had encouraged his wife to make up a story like this in order to bolster his gender saviour claims.

This seems to be their logic, yes.

Excellent Guardian article in my view. It seems that some biological women are being challenged in same sex changing rooms/loos.

Personally I am grateful for the bloke who politely stopped me going into the men's pub toilet. I've been bemused but not offended that someone mistook me for a man, because there's nothing bad about being a man.

But having discussed this on another forum I "don't speak for all women". It's clear we need to make all changing rooms etc. mixed sex to prevent any biological women being mistaken for men.

In other and I'm sure unrelated news, a transwomen who "knows they don't pass" was "chatting by the sink" in a women's pub bathroom and a female bar manager came in and asked them to leave.

The transgender Reddit community is now posting negative (and untruthful) reviews against this bar to bring their ratings down.

Unrelated I'm sure as well, there are also some general surveys about whether anyone has been challenged in loos floating around the space.

That's a silly argument for mixed sex facilities

I've been misgendered by a man in a canteen queue, I was wearing hiking gear , when I turned round he realised his mistake and said a quick sorry, do you know, my sense of self was not damaged in the slightest, and I don't think that mixed sex facilities would have improved things one iota

I think we discussed the story here when it was first reported.

It is irrelevant if men think some women look like men, and some men look like women. Female single sex spaces exist for the protection and dignity of women. Women appear to accurately sex more reliably than men, and its that that matters.

Pure speculation on my part, also I've not read the articles due to the Guardian apparently having a paywall (that's new), but if an obviously female but gender nonconforming woman was abused and spat on by a man, in those circumstances I'd be tending to think the man was a tra trying to make a point.

Why do they keep saying questioned about their gender? Surely they are being questioned about their sex?

I think it's interesting to note that this - if we assume it does, indeed, happen - could be reported in several ways:

1. as a critique of transactivism's overreach (as it's this overreach that led to the SC "backlash" and so to such injustices)

2. as a critique of the Supreme Court judgement itself (without any reference to what preceded it)

2), above, is disingenuous, telling only half the story. And tellingly hypocritical, too, in professing to foreground women by focussing on the dignity lost to a minority, while omitting to reference the gains in dignity and safety by the majority (if/when the judgement's upheld...)

QED: articles like this aren't motivated by women's needs or wants.

I was similarly misgendered wearing gardening clothes. Woman clarified I was female. They didn't apologise but I was laughing...

However like I said I've pointed that out and have been told I don't speak for all women. Some seem to see misgendering akin to violence.

I am concerned with sexist stereotypes. I once overheard a woman telling a girl looking at tools to "come away those are Dad tools" and to this day regret not intervening.

But I don't see how getting annoyed at misgendering per se helps.

Tbf, I've never had any sexism from the "Dads" at my allotment or shops r.e. DIY. We all talk about our tools. It's a breath of fresh air.

It's horrific that the misgenderers are mercilessly targetting women who oppose the SC ruling.

I know!! I mean who'd have thunk it???

I was a bit suspicious that the very feminine-looking wife of JoMo and mother of two trans children tweeted in April that she was worried that she'd be challenged in the changing rooms following the SC ruling, and lo and behold this happened to her in May! And she's in the Guardian today talking about what appears to be the same incident but in July.

I'd rather be mistaken for a man and challenged every day of my life than make it a free-for-all where any man can come into women's spaces unchallenged, personally.

STOP USING THE WORD 'CIS', GUARDIAN!

Just to redress the balance my fella was misgendered in Tesco a few months ago. He has a nonconforming hairstyle. He just laughed about it, didn't even record an angry tiktok in his car. At the very least he could have made a contemporaneous note on his mobile!

Sad times.