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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Your Opinion & Feedback is needed: NHS Children and Young People’s Gender Service Specification

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/08/2025 09:29

www.engage.england.nhs.uk/consultation/nhs-children-and-young-peoples-gender-service-spec/

NHS Children and Young People’s Gender Service Specification

This consultation asks for your views on proposed changes to the service specification for specialist gender incongruence services for children and young people, which will describe how current and future providers of NHS Children and Young People’s Gender Services will deliver the service.

Closes 2 Nov 2025
Opened 4 Aug 2025

It's really important that voices who understand the issues, support the Cass review and are motivated to respond, do so

We don;t want canned responses, but might be useful to discuss responses on any tricky issues here to support each other?

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TwoLoonsAndASprout · 05/08/2025 09:42

Bumping because this is important!

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/08/2025 09:48

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 05/08/2025 09:42

Bumping because this is important!

Very, we can assume the GLP, TIM Reddit and the like are campaigning to oppose it all. For example the first comment on reddit about this request for comment is:

"The pre reading document before the survey is sickening, aiming to give torture and conversion therapy a veil of legitimacy. Violence in clinical language and an inversion of the purpose of the NHS. You can really smell the palantir, the fascism and the american blood money."

So, you know, thats what parents are up against here.

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TwoLoonsAndASprout · 05/08/2025 10:14

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/08/2025 09:48

Very, we can assume the GLP, TIM Reddit and the like are campaigning to oppose it all. For example the first comment on reddit about this request for comment is:

"The pre reading document before the survey is sickening, aiming to give torture and conversion therapy a veil of legitimacy. Violence in clinical language and an inversion of the purpose of the NHS. You can really smell the palantir, the fascism and the american blood money."

So, you know, thats what parents are up against here.

I am sitting on my hands, because if I wrote what I would like to write in response to that I would get permanently banned.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/08/2025 13:24

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 05/08/2025 10:14

I am sitting on my hands, because if I wrote what I would like to write in response to that I would get permanently banned.

Genuinely try and understand the mindset that believes such obvious lies, the only thing I can come back to is a shared delusion made worse by the Reddit echo chamber

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/08/2025 13:42

Children & young people are in this nightmarish mess because the NHS willingly handed over policy in this area to the most unsuitable organisations in the country. Hannah Barnes' book "Time to Think" details the toxic influence Gendered Intelligence, Mermaids, Stonewall and other self invested adult groups had on child healthcare. It's an influence these trans activists are desperate to retain despite their lack of qualifications in medicine, child development, medical ethics, child mental health etc.

It's vital that parents, responsible adults, medics who retain an understanding of safeguarding children all speak out and insist that political activists with their dodgy "facts" must have zero influence on all this. No matter how much the activists embedded in the NHS want them there.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 05/08/2025 13:45

Does anyone know if people like Sex Matters, James Esses, Sue Evans, etc, have written about this? Are there specific areas of the consultation that parents should be looking at?

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/08/2025 16:51

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 05/08/2025 13:45

Does anyone know if people like Sex Matters, James Esses, Sue Evans, etc, have written about this? Are there specific areas of the consultation that parents should be looking at?

Nothing I can see on X

We should ask :)

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/08/2025 17:49

I've had a quick read of this and superficially it looks promising with the emphasis being on implementing Cass & seemingly rigorous approaches, safeguarding firmly embedded in the standards and a professional focus on medicine, paediatrics etc. I can't see any pandering to / involvement with the extremist transactivist groups who've been able wreak such damage on children in recent years. But I'm not qualified in this field so may be missing a lot.

One concern is that transactivists are embedded in the NHS at the highest levels - as evidence in the Fife tribunal and the awesome work done on here exposing how extreme transactivism has systematically removed safeguarding & women from NHS policies. If these people are able to influence the Gender Services, then children and young people will continue to be at risk.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 07/08/2025 10:01

Anyone else been able to look over this and give comments? Reddit etc are trying to argue against it all still

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TwoLoonsAndASprout · 07/08/2025 10:11

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 07/08/2025 10:01

Anyone else been able to look over this and give comments? Reddit etc are trying to argue against it all still

Thanks for the reminder - need to do some research and send some emails about it. Will report back if I get anywhere.

Womblingmerrily · 07/08/2025 10:51

Thank you. I will be completing but need a bit of time to fully consider my answers.

Moremountains · 07/08/2025 11:02

The service specification looks good, at a first glance. The devil is in the details, though, so I plan to read it carefully. There is still time for a thorough answer.

ArabellaScott · 07/08/2025 11:15

Hoping Transgender Trend may have advice.

LoudlyProudlyHorrid · 07/08/2025 16:25

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 05/08/2025 09:48

Very, we can assume the GLP, TIM Reddit and the like are campaigning to oppose it all. For example the first comment on reddit about this request for comment is:

"The pre reading document before the survey is sickening, aiming to give torture and conversion therapy a veil of legitimacy. Violence in clinical language and an inversion of the purpose of the NHS. You can really smell the palantir, the fascism and the american blood money."

So, you know, thats what parents are up against here.

But are they really going to read those sort of replies and take that level of hyperbole seriously.?
Is it not another case of let them speak? The contrast with calm, logical responses should be striking.

akkakk · 07/08/2025 16:33

It looks good, but there is I think still an opportunity to add more reason and logic to the discussion!

In particular a couple of clear points jump out - 6.1. refers to assigned sex, not a thing and using this inaccurate terminology allows a suggestion that you can reassign sex which is of course not possible.

6.1. also refers to experienced gender - my response was:

6.1 refers to 'experienced gender' - there is no such thing. This implies that gender is fixed and ring-fenced as male / female with proscribed habits /
appearances / activities / actions / etc. Gender is simply how society stereotypes male and female at any one point in time - back in regency times, high
heels were for men / until the 1920s or thereabouts, pink was a boy's colour and blue a girl's colour - now society sees the opposite - high heels are
'female' / pink is predominantly 'female' / blue is predominantly 'male'. As such gender is fluid - it is an observation snapshot - the people define gender,
not the other way around. So any person who is different simply expands or changes that snapshot - a man wearing lipstick is not adopting a female
gender - he is expanding what is seen as the habits or gender of men.

So whatever a child experiences is in line with their sex - a boy who plays with dolls, is nurturing and enjoys dressing up in a princess dress is not
somehow experiencing the female gender, he is a boy expanding how we see boys - he is being a boy in his way. A girl who climbs trees, wears shorts and
enjoys science is not a boy - she is a girl who enjoys being her shape of girl.

If this was not true then you could take any man and dress them / get them to role play a woman and they would be female - but we know that is not
possible as only women can be female and a woman is defined (c.f. supreme court ruling for confirmation) as being born a girl.

So this language is unhelpful - it would be better to phrase it as incongruence which is a well chosen word used elsewhere - where the child's preferences
and habits don't sit comfortably where society would tender to pigeon-hole them. They can't 'experience' any gender other than their own.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/08/2025 12:32

Just gave feedback - strongly support the CASS review, strongly supported properly sexed language (eg, female means biological female means woman), to not be a believer in gender identity, and to ensure any trans identified people are not affirmed in anyway, but but actually get the whole person mental and physical health support they need. Took a bit, hope it helps.

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