Labour MPs in denial about Supreme Court ruling

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https://www.thetimes.com/article/c8efd6fd-3ecf-4436-ae60-7cff6393c493?shareToken=c585ace670fbb41d062acb8487e0d33d

More hogwash from some MPs.

Josh Newbury, the MP for Cannock Chase, said in a letter it was “clear in my view that trans women are women and that trans men are men”. He said the Supreme Court ruling did not contradict that but that “the misinterpretation of, and fallout from, the ruling has wrongly brought this into question”.

Can these idiots read?

It terrifies me that so many in Scotland would still vote SNP. I can only hope that as this model is FPTP for MPs, other votes make up the majority (and by other I don’t mean Green)

He did a u-turn and has got away by the skin of his teeth mainly because the Tories are hardly unblemished on the issue and the libdems are fruitcakes.

Nobody loves a turn coat but they can come in handy

These latest pronouncements suggest, however, that their support for gender ideology is not driven by expediency at all. The more frightening truth seems to be that they actually believe it.

One element of this is that an absurdly large proportion of last year's intake of Labour MPs is gay. I've heard an estimate of 25%. Partly this is Lord Alli's influence on candidate selection, but that doesn't explain similar trends in the Lib Dems and SNP.

I should state, I have zero problem with gay MPs. I don't even have a problem with gay people being a bit overrepresented in Parliament. It might be a problem if they're massively overrepresented and they've overwhelmingly been indoctrinated by Stonewall. Chris Rock's comedy routines used to distinguish between black folks and n***s; maybe we might distinguish between gay people and alphabet people.

A second element is that quite a few senior Labour MPs have trans identified children. I don't want to quantify this, because families have a right to privacy and Labour gossip might not be accurate, but that could include anything between three and six members of Starmer's cabinet. We know the chill factor that can come with having just one trans parent in a workplace.

Finally, I think a lot of our political class are highly educated but just not that bright.

Put those things together, and it's a bit like having 100 Jolyon Maughams in the Parliamentary Labour Party.

Even Reform are at it today. Haven't they seen the latest YouGov polling? Don't they realise that the trans scam is over?

https://x.com/HeadWarriorTWM/status/1952306197790593064

Wow! I thought Reform were trying to get the GC vote.

"it seems like obvious common courtesy to let people live in a way that makes them feel happy and safe.”

I have no objection to common courtesy even if it means suspending my own personal disbelief. I am more than happy to use preferred pronouns and whatever if a trans person is doing no harm but if they are using that identity as a means to enter women's spaces then that 'courtesy' goes out the window. Furthermore, if trans people think they can enshrine that 'courtesy' into law and force people to recognise their identity then they really can fuck right off.

Put those things together, and it's a bit like having 100 Jolyon Maughams in the Parliamentary Labour Party.

Are you trying to give me nightmares?

Perhaps they've realised that's never going to happen. Interesting to see Labour and Reform aligning on certain issues though. Perhaps they will form a coalition when Labour lose their majority in 4 years time.

Reform don’t know what they stand for. If they get into government I suspect Farage will find he is herding cats. He will basically have a government made up of independent MPs and no one will know which way they will vote on any issue.

Farage's main concern has been to keep out the Tommy Robinson fans. He's been fairly successful in that.

The flip side is, they've got a bunch of people with business backgrounds who are all a bit headstrong and think you can snap your fingers and make things happen. These people don't know politics doesn't work like that. They might learn - Tice has improved a lot compared to where he was five years ago - but it will still be a culture shock.

I think there are 2 types of people who don't want men in women's prisons - GC feminists, who likely won't vote for Reform, but a much larger group of regular people who haven't massively thought about the issue, but know reflexively that it's wrong.

I would imagine the latter group would be quite inclined towards Reform. It's certainly the experience I've had chatting to people near me (Northern red wall territory).

He has been doing that when he only has five other MPs, already lost two of them

saw it in an article:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/08/04/reform-prison-tsar-vanessa-frake-trans-women-female-jails/

https://archive.is/QZiTV

"Ms Frake called for cases to be assessed “on an individual basis” and said that sexual offenders may need to be held in a male facility.
She told The Times: “There are equally vile women as there possibly are trans women. So it’s all about the risk assessments for me, and each has to be done on an individual basis.”

nice comparison here...
Sure, there are vile women, otherwise they wouldn't be in jail. But the wording here is trying to paint an image that makes both groups equal, thus they could be in the same place.
You could also say: there are equally vile men as women, but of course that's not said. Additionally, the numbers in the prison statistics tell that the actual numbers are very unequal and the reasons why women are in jail have a lot less to do with physical assault and murder than for men.

Can't find it right now but recently I came across an excerpt of a wishlist that prisoners could tick, and TW could request make-up and other stuff that women couldn't request. It was a UK prison, maybe anyone else remember it?

I think we will all be looking a little closer at the bat shit statements next time and watching the reverse ferret move being adopted by some.

Once politicians have had a taste of parliamentary lifestyle they tend to want to stay in.

Put those things together, and it's a bit like having 100 Jolyon Maughams in the Parliamentary Labour Party.

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Well that would explain a few things about Labours dismal performance in power over the last year or so.

Reform is full of loose canons who all have their own take on things and will inevitably say what they think...which will cause issues for the party going forward if everyone is going off message.

You only get suspended if you vote against cuts. It's deeply weird.

I laughed like a drain at the Reform statement. If I were Keir Starmer I would have a glass of wine tonight. I guess it’s not surprising that much of Reform is living in 2016.

Well, I don't know. Lots of people have been very anxious to believe that the problems with Labour have been sorted out. That's far from the case, and Starmer will only do the rational thing if a judge, or Tony Blair, tells him to.

Every obscure Labour MP that says something silly gets their own thread.

Reform prisons spokesperson says men can be in women's prisons - Farage refuses to correct her- and theres not a dicky bird on here. Funny that!

A lot of people are going to vote Reform. A lot of people voted for Brexit. Doesnt mean they're not both a load of sh*te.

It seems that Farage has now confirmed that a case by case risk assessment of men is Reform policy. Why tf would they adopt this policy?

Reform prisons spokesperson says men can be in women's prisons - Farage refuses to correct her- and theres not a dicky bird on here. Funny that!

We are talking about that on this thread. Why’s that funny?

Note though it is irritating that a bunch of Labour MPs holds these views note they don't actually care that much to do anything.

Most of these people have not even got involved in the various motions and debates in Parliament since April. The number MPs inside Labour that will act on gender stuff is not huge now unlike in the Greens. If they do act is through stuff like committees. So we need keep pressure on and monitor them for sure, but remember we are gaining ground.

Also remember lot of MPs might say "nice" things in public, but secretly are happy that reality has returned. They are too cowardly to do much, but they are are secretly going to sideline gender stuff.

Maybe they are framing it as a freedom/free speech issue?

Except we are talking about that.

Trying to frame people who post here as 'extreme right' is so 'done' and so tedious.