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TerfRocks' Playlist for Sandie Peggie

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POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 31/07/2025 15:43

I couldn't see a post about this in the Sandie Peggie threads and it would be a shame anyway for it to get buried in one of the threads!

Terf_Rocks on X has made a YouTube Playlist of songs suggested for Sandie Peggie:

https://x.com/Terf_Rocks/status/1950649744067379212

YouTube Play List:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyYW5Pn48-LzAx0hPJLXW1wQ47wDzjPLq

TerfRocks said:

I suggested we put a playlist together made up of songs that come to mind when we think of Sandie Peggie & what she’s endured & still going through.
Empowering songs, inspiring songs etc etc. Sandie Peggie is Not a brand. Not a slogan. Not a movement. Just a woman who stood up and told the truth and didn't back down.

What came back wasn’t just a playlist. It was a chorus. This is a record of how people feel when they see someone take a stand and refuse to back down.

It’s a chorus of resistance, rage, courage, clarity and solidarity that sings.

It's not just music. It’s memory. Message. Mood. Solidarity. It's what you play when you need to feel not heard but backed.

Some people sent songs they hoped Sandie would hear.
Others sent tracks that had carried them through hell.

Some were messages. Some were memories. Every single one carried a piece of someone else's story.

This playlist is about what it means to stand firm — even when you're tired, even when you're under attack, even when the people who should have stood beside you vanish.

It's about Sandie Peggie.

But it's also about all the women who've been told to shut up, stand back, or give in — and didn’t.

Other women on X are duplicating the playlist on other platforms. Please add in replies if you find them, eg. Spotify.

https://x.com/Terf_Rocks/status/1950649744067379212

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POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 01/08/2025 02:08

I don't think my "Ballad of Sandie Peggie" songs will make it on to Spotify 🤭

The Suno AI "Folk" version was great!

The Ballad of Sandie Peggie (Arrangement Suno AI)

However, I decided it really ought to be a Rockabilly song so I asked Suno to have a shot at it.

After 18 tries that did not really hit the mark it came up with two cracking Rockabilly versions!

This short, fast version has the added advantage that it sticks to the original lyrics that I plugged into Suno:

Sandie Peggie - Rockabilly 01 (Suno AI)

The second, longer version is also brilliant and my only criticism is that it omits the line,

  • "Sandie, Sandie Peggie, the woman don't know fear."
replacing it with the duplicated line,
  • "Sandie, Sandie Peggie, Queen of the Fife frontier."

Sandie Peggie - Rockabilly 02 (Suno AI)

My original ukulele pastiche of "The Ballad of Davy Crockett" pales embarrassingly by comparison!

🫣

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/1l_o0RnmqzU?si=ClJvjl3Wu6aJpxyW

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Mochudubh · 01/08/2025 10:22

Great playlist.

Nice to see Halestorm on there, one of my Covid/WFH era discoveries.

Pleasantsort · 01/08/2025 10:37

er... people have put Strange Fruit by Billie Holliday and Wagner on the Spotify list ? Not sure that is the sentiment you are looking for ??

zanahoria · 01/08/2025 14:11

Peggy Sued

lechiffre55 · 01/08/2025 14:14

Dude looks like a Lady - Aerosmith

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 02/08/2025 03:14

Pleasantsort · 01/08/2025 10:37

er... people have put Strange Fruit by Billie Holliday and Wagner on the Spotify list ? Not sure that is the sentiment you are looking for ??

TerfRocks said:

I suggested we put a playlist together made up of songs that come to mind when we think of Sandie Peggie & what she’s endured & still going through.
Empowering songs, inspiring songs etc etc.

What came back wasn’t just a playlist. It was a chorus. This is a record of how people feel when they see someone take a stand and refuse to back down.
It’s a chorus of resistance, rage, courage, clarity and solidarity that sings.
It's not just music. It’s memory. Message. Mood. Solidarity. It's what you play when you need to feel not heard but backed.

This playlist is about what it means to stand firm — even when you're tired, even when you're under attack, even when the people who should have stood beside you vanish.

--

The Tragic Story Behind Billie Holiday's "Strange Fruit"

Extracts that suggest some parallels:

While civil rights activists and Black America embraced "Strange Fruit," the nightclub scene, which was primarily composed of white patrons, had mixed reactions. At witnessing Holiday's performance, audience members would applaud until their hands hurt, while those less sympathetic would bitterly walk out the door.

One individual who was determined to silence Holiday was Federal Bureau of Narcotics commissioner Harry Anslinger. A known racist, Anslinger believed that drugs caused Black people to overstep their boundaries in American society and that Black jazz singers — who smoked marijuana — created the devil's music.

When Anslinger forbid Holiday to perform "Strange Fruit," she refused, causing him to devise a plan to destroy her. Knowing that Holiday was a drug user, he had some of his men frame her by selling her heroin. When she was caught using the drug, she was thrown into prison for the next year and a half.
Upon Holiday's release in 1948, federal authorities refused to reissue her cabaret performer’s license. Her nightclub days, which she loved so much, were over.

Still determined to soldier on, she performed to sold-out concerts at Carnegie Hall . . .

Among the many songs that Holiday is celebrated for, "Strange Fruit" will always be one of her defining works. It allowed her to take what was originally an expression of political protest and transform it into a work of art for millions to hear.

In 1999 Time designated "Strange Fruit" the "song of the century."

https://www.biography.com/musicians/billie-holiday-strange-fruit

Ride of the Valkyries:

"Interpretations often focus on the piece's martial character and its association with conflict. However, within the opera's narrative, the Valkyries also represent a complex interplay of loyalty, defiance (particularly Brünnhilde), and the tragic consequences of the gods' actions."

https://explainsong.com/songs/richard-wagner-ride-of-the-valkyries.html

Now if you are thinking about trying to abuse a support thread on the Feminism Womens Rights Board aka "Sex & Gender" for Sandie Peggie's bravery in taking a stand for women's rights, ie. as an opportunity to diss Sandie Peggie, I would suggest that that is "not in the spirit".

"We do not want Mumsnet to be a place that feels inherently hostile to any group, be that trans people, gender-critical feminists or anyone else (except perhaps trolls). If you can abide by our rules – the spirit and not just the letter – we want you to feel you can be a part of the community."

https://www.mumsnet.com/i/trans-rights-moderation-policy

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Pleasantsort · 02/08/2025 17:51

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 02/08/2025 03:14

TerfRocks said:

I suggested we put a playlist together made up of songs that come to mind when we think of Sandie Peggie & what she’s endured & still going through.
Empowering songs, inspiring songs etc etc.

What came back wasn’t just a playlist. It was a chorus. This is a record of how people feel when they see someone take a stand and refuse to back down.
It’s a chorus of resistance, rage, courage, clarity and solidarity that sings.
It's not just music. It’s memory. Message. Mood. Solidarity. It's what you play when you need to feel not heard but backed.

This playlist is about what it means to stand firm — even when you're tired, even when you're under attack, even when the people who should have stood beside you vanish.

--

The Tragic Story Behind Billie Holiday's "Strange Fruit"

Extracts that suggest some parallels:

While civil rights activists and Black America embraced "Strange Fruit," the nightclub scene, which was primarily composed of white patrons, had mixed reactions. At witnessing Holiday's performance, audience members would applaud until their hands hurt, while those less sympathetic would bitterly walk out the door.

One individual who was determined to silence Holiday was Federal Bureau of Narcotics commissioner Harry Anslinger. A known racist, Anslinger believed that drugs caused Black people to overstep their boundaries in American society and that Black jazz singers — who smoked marijuana — created the devil's music.

When Anslinger forbid Holiday to perform "Strange Fruit," she refused, causing him to devise a plan to destroy her. Knowing that Holiday was a drug user, he had some of his men frame her by selling her heroin. When she was caught using the drug, she was thrown into prison for the next year and a half.
Upon Holiday's release in 1948, federal authorities refused to reissue her cabaret performer’s license. Her nightclub days, which she loved so much, were over.

Still determined to soldier on, she performed to sold-out concerts at Carnegie Hall . . .

Among the many songs that Holiday is celebrated for, "Strange Fruit" will always be one of her defining works. It allowed her to take what was originally an expression of political protest and transform it into a work of art for millions to hear.

In 1999 Time designated "Strange Fruit" the "song of the century."

https://www.biography.com/musicians/billie-holiday-strange-fruit

Ride of the Valkyries:

"Interpretations often focus on the piece's martial character and its association with conflict. However, within the opera's narrative, the Valkyries also represent a complex interplay of loyalty, defiance (particularly Brünnhilde), and the tragic consequences of the gods' actions."

https://explainsong.com/songs/richard-wagner-ride-of-the-valkyries.html

Now if you are thinking about trying to abuse a support thread on the Feminism Womens Rights Board aka "Sex & Gender" for Sandie Peggie's bravery in taking a stand for women's rights, ie. as an opportunity to diss Sandie Peggie, I would suggest that that is "not in the spirit".

"We do not want Mumsnet to be a place that feels inherently hostile to any group, be that trans people, gender-critical feminists or anyone else (except perhaps trolls). If you can abide by our rules – the spirit and not just the letter – we want you to feel you can be a part of the community."

https://www.mumsnet.com/i/trans-rights-moderation-policy

I think you should get off yer high horse . I'm GC and I support Sandie's right to safe same sex spaces, particularly in the workplace . Her rather dodgy comments /"jokes" on a Whats App group, I don't support and think are appalling.I do think others in that group are just as dodgy as Sandie. Still I hope she wins as she deserves privacy at work to change and the class bias is completely appalling. I commented on the Spotify list you posted. Strange Fruit is a well known song about the lynching of black people in the Racist Southern States. Billie's haunting delivery brings the subject matter home to the listener. Wagner ? Well, I'll leave that association for you to look up. Who put those songs up? I don't really care too much but if it wasn't you then maybe you are being trolled.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 02/08/2025 20:24

*Pleasantsort It was not me who put initiated the exercise and who put the songs up, it was Terf_Rocks, as explained above. The playlist is on YouTube and, where those songs are available, they have been added by someone else to a duplicate list on Spotify.

I am not on Spotify. I boycotted it long ago for filling its coffers at the expense of unfair treatment and exploitation of minor artists.

I am, however, very familiar with the possible ulterior motives that someone might have had for nominating those particular tracks.

You have cited the best known facts about the song "Strange Fruit". My quotes indicate that there are other, very valid reasons why someone might chose that song as a tribute to Sandie Peggie, rather than as a hyperbolic slight.

It is possible that the woman who nominated the Ride of the Valkyries was unaware of Wagner's dodgy side although I certainly am.

I was also obviously spot on in my assumption that your post was a sneaky attempt to abuse this support thread, as shown by your outburst in response to my post.

It is blindingly obvious that there are some GC women who find it very annoying that Sandie Peggie is not the Perfect Woman, a Paragon of Virtue and someone who if she invited them round for tea would wet themselves with excitement.

There are others of us who are content to celebrate her achievements and do not feel the need to add to the onslaught against her by TRAs.

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