Trans-identifying female planned school attack

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Couldn't see a thread on this, apologies if I've missed one.

I remember this case from previously, and now it's in the news again due to sentencing today.

The "trans" part is of course pretty well hidden in the BBC article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyj2g5l1g2o (in a part that says, "Ahead of sentencing, Winter's lawyer said that the teenager was vulnerable and a transgender person and that would need to be taken into account." ). Male pronouns throughout. The Scottish Daily Express is much clearer, saying above the article "Felix Winter, who was born female but identifies as a male..." https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/trans-teen-obsessed-columbine-massacre-35646796 Pronouns mostly avoided, but a couple of "he"s appear in a quote.

It's pretty rare, obviously, for school attacks to happen or be planned, and even rarer in the UK. It's also rare for females to be the perpetrators. So we have an intersection of rare events...

Is the trans identity random and irrelevant? Is it down to hormones? (This person is only 18, so perhaps we can say not). Is it down to wanting to prove a masculine identity? This article suggests it could play a part "So why are female school shooters rare? Jillian Peterson, co-founder of the aforementioned Violence Prevention Project who is also a forensic psychologist and professor of criminology, says many school shooters “see themselves” in the perpetrators behind other mass shootings, which have historically been men." https://www.campussafetymagazine.com/insights/how-common-are-female-school-shooters/165257/

Thats a long sentence. If we put every violence obsessed teenager in jail for that long we will see a lot of people locked up.

Here’s another Scottish TIF: https://news.stv.tv/east-central/knife-attacker-tried-to-murder-man-on-kirkcaldy-street-after-chance-meeting

I think it’s worth asking if both these women are alumni of Scotland’s only gender clinic, the Sandyford. It’s not like Scotland is a big place! I think it’s worth an FOI to see how many TIFs from the Sandyford have been either charged and/or convicted of offences and how many ended up in prison. I’m sure KPSS had a stat (before she left X) to say how many TIFs were in Scotland’s only female prison and they were still receiving T. I think there could be a major story there. Perhaps it’s worth asking FWS or another Scottish organisation who might have standing to ask?

It's an important message. Terrifying for children at her school no doubt. There was intention to kill, not just an obsession, from everything I've read about it

Found it:

“ Heretics YouTube with Kate Coleman from KPSS, May 2024. She says around 40 T-fuelled TIFs in Scottish female prisons and becoming a nightmare to handle - and a much higher proportion with sex offence convictions.

From 28.40: m.youtube.com/watch?v=izeeiW8FAPc

I think all we can conclusively say is what we already know, which is that fucking with hormones makes people irrational, testosterone causes all sorts of issues even when naturally-occurring in males, never mind giving it to females, and that some people are just wrong'uns to start with anyway, and some of those wrong'uns (not many) are born female.
While it's not common for females to commit or plan heinous crimes, we know there are violent female criminals out there, such as Rose West who by all accounts was the driving force of the couple. Adding artificial testosterone into the mix is just a recipe for disaster.

So is she going to a male prison?

Hah, I just saw this on Reporting Scotland, thought "that's surely a lassie" and came on here to see if there was a thread and clicked on this just as BBC used the words "Transgender Person".

But ye cannae tell, ken?

I read this one a little earlier and thought exactly the same thing, @Mochudubh, and I'm fairly sure there was no mention of her trans status at that point..?

And if it was the reverse (ie a TIM) it would be oh can only be male behaviour, not womens crimes etc.

Obvs she will go to a womens prison under biological sex placement but will need extremely close monitoring.

Haven't studies found that many young people who attend gender clinics have mental health problems and/or abusive backgrounds?

Not dealing with those factors and "gender affirming care" including giving testosterone - why wouldn't violent behaviour be a result?

Female school/spree shooters are indeed rare, but if you look at them in the states a considerable proportion (of the tiny number) have been perpetrated by girls/women with gender identity issues.

Yes. Like the Nashville one.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Nashville_school_shooting

I don't think testosterone can be involved in this case, can it? This person was 15 at the time of the offence.

But quite possibly it is a problem more generally.

Er, no. We don't say "can only be male behaviour" - what we do say is, "in the vast majority of cases these crimes are perpetrated by males."

And there was Maya "Alec" McKinney in 2019. I watched a documentary on that shooting recently. Maya's main concern while the police were searching her was that her breasts had been exposed (even though she appears fully clothed throughout the search) although is fully aware that one teenager had been shot by that stage.

Quite a lot of teenagers get T illegally online, or so I've read. I don't think it can be assumed she wasn't taking it.

Gender GP etc.

40?! Out of a Scottish female prison population of (generally) around 250?

I'm guessing that's not Prison Onset Dysphoria, either.

It's apparently gone up a little, to around 300 now.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-prison-population-statistics-2023-24/pages/women-in-custody/

At a certain point, we are going to need to ask the question of whether exogenous testosterone makes girls and women violent.

https://www.judiciary.scot/home/sentences-judgments/sentences-and-opinions/2025/07/30/hma-v-felix-winter

Judgement.

me too

At the end of the article:

At a previous hearing, Winter's lawyer said that the teenager was vulnerable and a transgender person and that would need to be taken into account.

Well that's a good lesson/example then isn't it? Good way to show 'fuck around and find out'!

I'm glad this person was stopped as she sounds very dangerous. However, I'm not at all convinced that after six years in prison, or however long she serves, she will be any less dangerous. The entire system is shite, especially our support for young people with mental health problems, and the trans stuff has only exacerbated that. I'd be interested to know what happened after the first few Prevent referrals, because it sounds like she just kept escalating until bad enough to be jailed.

I know that's how it reads now, @Mochudubh, It's just that I'm fairly sure the earlier iteration of the report didn't include it. Not an important point, but I thought it might be another example of the usual transtastic BBC sleight of hand..