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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Has Woman's Hour discussed Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife?

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Sausagenbacon · 30/07/2025 09:39

Or Law in Action?
Perhaps this has been asked already. If so, my apologies.

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Notfinanciallyresponsibleforyou · 30/07/2025 12:58

Women’s Hour like the rest of the beeb is very firmly captured by trans ideology and it’s all ‘what about the poor ladyee’s feelings?’ and how women just have to be kinder and share our single sex facilities with people with penises.

NeverTrustaCherryTomato · 30/07/2025 13:23

Listener Week is coming up soon apparently. I suspect they'll be just as selective as they usually are..

Sausagenbacon · 30/07/2025 13:55

Oh well, I'm not surprised, but I was hoping I would be

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deadpan · 01/08/2025 19:56

If they did they'd probably be just as biased as they were after the SC ruling. Lots of "many people would find your views offensive", from Nuala especially, towards Helen Joyce and FWS but nothing like that towards Robin White.
Broadcasting, journalism and the media are in a bubble. They'd be shocked if they actually did a poll on this.

doglover90 · 01/08/2025 20:01

Maybe they could talk about the fact that she's a massive racist who seems unable to tolerate difference in others or show empathy to anyone who isn't like her. https://archive.ph/M8GNJ

Sparklybutold · 01/08/2025 20:04

What makes me laugh (and angry) is the fact that they had this biased discussion on the supreme judgement and then the following week had a doctor on discussing the sex differences in a new drug being developed! Nuala was the host.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/08/2025 20:11

Law in Action is no longer made by the BBC. It was cancelled just over a year ago. I rarely listen to Woman's Hour so can't comment on that, but I'd be amazed if it has covered this case. Let's be charitable and assume they will give it a lot of coverage when the verdict comes in. Hmm

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 01/08/2025 20:14

doglover90 · 01/08/2025 20:01

Maybe they could talk about the fact that she's a massive racist who seems unable to tolerate difference in others or show empathy to anyone who isn't like her. https://archive.ph/M8GNJ

That's not a fact.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/08/2025 20:21

I haven't been following the tribunal in any detail but from the details I have seen I would say that Sandie Peggie's views and WhatsApp messages are such that a great swathe of the UK population could also be described as 'massive racists'. It's been clear since Brexit and probably long before that to people who live a less sheltered life than I do that a great many of the UK population are not comfortable at all with mass immigration and especially with large numbers of Muslims moving to the UK. We will all have our own responses to that. The fact remains, though, that everybody is entitled to the protection of the law, including racists and people with other objectionable views. The job of the tribunal judge is to weigh up the evidence and decide whether SP's case stands up.

Redshoeblueshoe · 01/08/2025 22:00

Tracie Andrews, Rose West, Joanne Dennehy - all deserve single sex spaces.

Sausagenbacon · 02/08/2025 07:03

Maybe they could talk about the fact that she's a massive racist who seems unable to tolerate difference in others or show empathy to anyone who isn't like her.
I see the new derail of choice has been adopted on this subject**

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TeenToTwenties · 02/08/2025 07:08

I'm not sure discussing the ET whilst it is in progress is helpful.
I would hope they will cover it when she wins.

NeverTrustaCherryTomato · 02/08/2025 10:15

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 01/08/2025 20:11

Law in Action is no longer made by the BBC. It was cancelled just over a year ago. I rarely listen to Woman's Hour so can't comment on that, but I'd be amazed if it has covered this case. Let's be charitable and assume they will give it a lot of coverage when the verdict comes in. Hmm

I gave the replacement for Law in Action a listen for one episode. That was more than enough. I found the presenter difficult to listen to. I can't remember why now, it was a while ago, but I do remember thinking it was yet another example R4 dumbing down.

It really would be very interesting to know listener numbers - how many of us oldies, who have hopefully many years worth of listening to something else now ahead of us still, have stopped listening and how many new listeners they are attracting with their new style, or whatever they think it is.

And don't get me started on the endless podcast adverts. I sometimes get the feeling they actually want us to turn off. Maybe they do, then they could use that budget for BBC3.

WimbledonWhites · 02/08/2025 10:21

TeenToTwenties · 02/08/2025 07:08

I'm not sure discussing the ET whilst it is in progress is helpful.
I would hope they will cover it when she wins.

I agree with this. We’ll have to wait and see.

ScrollingLeaves · 02/08/2025 10:45

doglover90 · 01/08/2025 20:01

Maybe they could talk about the fact that she's a massive racist who seems unable to tolerate difference in others or show empathy to anyone who isn't like her. https://archive.ph/M8GNJ

She is a perfectly ordinary British person whose petty racism with racist jokes, however reprehensible, is shared by many others -hence the rise of Reform. We also, in our purity, although we would never stoop to such jokes being as we are so much better than she is, are, hardly paragons towards Muslims are we?

Meanwhile, saying that men can be women and that fifty percent of the population has no choice but to share changing rooms with any hulking man wearing a bra who says he is a women ( for varying reasons, including fetishes) and who cries and sets up a witch hunt when told by a busy female nurse to leave the female changing room, is a violence against all women that is in itself highly reprehensible and is an separate issue from whether or not SP is a perfect human.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/08/2025 11:03

NeverTrustaCherryTomato · 02/08/2025 10:15

I gave the replacement for Law in Action a listen for one episode. That was more than enough. I found the presenter difficult to listen to. I can't remember why now, it was a while ago, but I do remember thinking it was yet another example R4 dumbing down.

It really would be very interesting to know listener numbers - how many of us oldies, who have hopefully many years worth of listening to something else now ahead of us still, have stopped listening and how many new listeners they are attracting with their new style, or whatever they think it is.

And don't get me started on the endless podcast adverts. I sometimes get the feeling they actually want us to turn off. Maybe they do, then they could use that budget for BBC3.

We have certainly discussed many times on The Archers threads whether the BBC is actively trying to put listeners off and discourage new ones so that they can point to falling ratings and cancel it. Probably tinfoil hat territory but it's hard to see why they have made such a dog's breakfast of TA otherwise in recent times.

Anactor · 02/08/2025 11:06

Sausagenbacon · 02/08/2025 07:03

Maybe they could talk about the fact that she's a massive racist who seems unable to tolerate difference in others or show empathy to anyone who isn't like her.
I see the new derail of choice has been adopted on this subject**

It’s the ‘go to’ of choice at the moment; probably now more popular than calling anyone with right of centre opinions by the name of a 1930’s European movement.

Apparently the need to tolerate differences in others or show empathy to anyone who isn’t like them doesn’t extend to working class Scottish nurses who tell awful jokes for their shock value. Or who would like to change their bloody scrubs without a man watching.

Said nurse is certainly not going to get an interview on Woman’s Hour. The gobby working class usually don’t.

Merrymouse · 02/08/2025 11:15

Anactor · 02/08/2025 11:06

It’s the ‘go to’ of choice at the moment; probably now more popular than calling anyone with right of centre opinions by the name of a 1930’s European movement.

Apparently the need to tolerate differences in others or show empathy to anyone who isn’t like them doesn’t extend to working class Scottish nurses who tell awful jokes for their shock value. Or who would like to change their bloody scrubs without a man watching.

Said nurse is certainly not going to get an interview on Woman’s Hour. The gobby working class usually don’t.

It relates to the belief that rights are only relevant on an individual 'case by case' basis.

NeverTrustaCherryTomato · 02/08/2025 11:46

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/08/2025 11:03

We have certainly discussed many times on The Archers threads whether the BBC is actively trying to put listeners off and discourage new ones so that they can point to falling ratings and cancel it. Probably tinfoil hat territory but it's hard to see why they have made such a dog's breakfast of TA otherwise in recent times.

Ah, thank you. There's me thinking I've come up with a clever conclusion and you're already all over it 😆. I'll go and have a shoofty ...

Ramblingnamechanger · 03/08/2025 00:31

Choose a topic that most of us here want discussed and eventually Woman’s Hour will drag itself and Nuala with gritted teeth onto it. But only if there are comments that reveal the BBC bias and prevent any {unlikely and unlucky) women from finishing a sentence. Men seem to get a free ride.

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