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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Female to male transitioners and the peerage

11 replies

SecretNameforMN · 22/07/2025 15:07

Seems to me that it's always women who get the rough end of the deal.

If, as TRA and also the police, judiciary, politicians etc etc ad nauseum keep on telling us, "trans men are men", why is there no campaign or marches or death threats or banners with guillotihes to get THIS changed?

"2.2 Gender recognition and the peerage

Exceptions to the inheritance of peerages apply in relation to gender recognition. Provisions in the Gender Recognition Act 2004 state that where a full gender recognition certificate is issued to a person, the person’s gender becomes for all purposes the acquired gender.

However, section 16 of the Gender Recognition Act 2004 applies an exception to this requirement in relation to peerages.... section 16 stipulates that “the descent of any peerage or dignity or title of honour will take place as if a person recognised in the acquired gender were still of the birth gender”. The same rule also applies to inheritance of any property that passes with the peerage or title, unless the will or other instrument governing the property expressly departs from this rule.

In 2003 Belinda Crowe, head of the gender recognition division at the Department for Constitutional Affairs, outlined the reasoning:

"by stating that where a peerage is concerned a transsexual person is considered in his or her birth gender we avoid anomalies of succession. Without clause 11, it is conceivable that, for example, a female-to-male transsexual could bypass the first-born son and inherit a title of honour."

Heaven forbid that any female could gain any advantage over men by transitioning!

OP posts:
zanahoria · 22/07/2025 15:22

it is a ridiculous exemption to a ridiculous law

SailingWonder · 22/07/2025 15:25

I know. It's part of what shows that they all know its a sham really.

SerendipityJane · 22/07/2025 17:08

were still of the birth gender”.

Er, shouldn't that be birth sex ?

Abhannmor · 22/07/2025 17:34

Isn't this where we came in with April Ashley all those years ago? Round 1970. Can't recall all the details now alas ..

SerendipityJane · 22/07/2025 17:42

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corbett_v_Corbett

The court held that, for the purposes of marriage, sex was to be legally defined by three factors present at birth that the judge referred to as "biological" – namely chromosomal, gonadal and genital. Any surgery or medical intervention was to be ignored, as were any psychological factors (which were in this case identified with Ashley's "transsexualism").

Sexual characteristics - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_characteristics

SugarSoiree · 22/07/2025 17:43

Because most people don't know this even exists would be my guess. I've certainly never heard of it before and how many first born sorns are inheriting things through peerage these days? I've certainly never met one!

Helleofabore · 22/07/2025 17:46

Abhannmor · 22/07/2025 17:34

Isn't this where we came in with April Ashley all those years ago? Round 1970. Can't recall all the details now alas ..

I believe so.

We have been having this discussion within other discussions on this board for years now.

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 22/07/2025 18:05

92 sit in the House of Lords by dint of being either the first born son or eldest son or eldest relative of their father.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42182747

but his daughters couldn't just identify as male and inherit because GRA does not allow that

however Matilda Simon could inherit because born male despite identifying as female

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MatildaSimon,3rdBaronessSimonofWythenshawe

Earl Balfour, Countess Balfour, Lady Willa Franks

Women could inherit if they change gender, says Earl

Lord Balfour suggests that changes to gender law could provide a way for his daughter to inherit his title.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42182747

BundleBoogie · 22/07/2025 18:16

Yes, 800 hereditary peerages in the UK and I’m sure there’s been at least two situations where it has been relevant but not a peep from the trans activists or their enablers. How strange.

spannasaurus · 22/07/2025 18:38

SugarSoiree · 22/07/2025 17:43

Because most people don't know this even exists would be my guess. I've certainly never heard of it before and how many first born sorns are inheriting things through peerage these days? I've certainly never met one!

Vast swathes of land in the UK are owned by hereditary peers . Not heard of the Duke of Westminster or Duke of Northumberland

Lemonyfuckit · 22/07/2025 18:57

Basically if you’re a woman - you lose either way. This is a perfect example of why it’s all just plain old misogyny dressed up in the emperor’s new clothes.

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