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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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SerendipityJane · 22/07/2025 12:11

Happily enjoying my monthly read, when I had to crash into a sentence about how the story of the bottomless chair and pope-vetting may have arisen ....

and they end with talking about checking the gender of the pope.

Not a great way to earn my respect if you want to cosplay as an academic.

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foodymcfoodface · 22/07/2025 12:40

So can a women identify into the job?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 22/07/2025 14:20

foodymcfoodface · 22/07/2025 12:40

So can a women identify into the job?

Didn't the last, and only one that did, get literally torn apart by the frothing at the mouth mob.

Yeah, I'm not contemplating a career change at this moment in time. 🙄

SerendipityJane · 22/07/2025 15:25

foodymcfoodface · 22/07/2025 12:40

So can a women identify into the job?

Well that would be how the article reads. Which means there was never any need for a special chair to inspect the dangly bits.

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LittleBitofBread · 22/07/2025 15:59

That film Conclave springs to mind.

petermaddog · 22/07/2025 16:32

pope joan

JellySaurus · 22/07/2025 20:32

Too squeamish to say the S-word? Oh you BBC prudes. Just say it, you self-declared paragons of truth and accuracy: SEX.

Grammarnut · 22/07/2025 23:28

SerendipityJane · 22/07/2025 12:11

Happily enjoying my monthly read, when I had to crash into a sentence about how the story of the bottomless chair and pope-vetting may have arisen ....

and they end with talking about checking the gender of the pope.

Not a great way to earn my respect if you want to cosplay as an academic.

The bottomless chair and Pope Joan is all a myth (mind, re-awoken in Conclave). The chairs in question are birthing chairs, medieval women sensibly choosing to keep the torso upright when pushing out a baby. The arrival of male midwives changed this to facilitate examination and also use of forceps.

SerendipityJane · 23/07/2025 10:45

Grammarnut · 22/07/2025 23:28

The bottomless chair and Pope Joan is all a myth (mind, re-awoken in Conclave). The chairs in question are birthing chairs, medieval women sensibly choosing to keep the torso upright when pushing out a baby. The arrival of male midwives changed this to facilitate examination and also use of forceps.

The article may well have explained that.

However because author cannot tell their sex from their gender, it can't be trusted.

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GCAcademic · 23/07/2025 11:16

Who is the author?

Ooothatsagoodone · 23/07/2025 11:20

LittleBitofBread · 22/07/2025 15:59

That film Conclave springs to mind.

Spoiler Alert 🚨

SerendipityJane · 23/07/2025 11:20

GCAcademic · 23/07/2025 11:16

Who is the author?

It's on page 42, and I could write the name here. However, in the spirit of #bekind, I'll remember that it is not impossible that someone anonymous tweaked the wording to reflect the BBC bubble.

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Grammarnut · 23/07/2025 12:04

SerendipityJane · 23/07/2025 10:45

The article may well have explained that.

However because author cannot tell their sex from their gender, it can't be trusted.

True. Conclave is worth seeing. I note that I have seen no more suggestions it is pro-trans! Which it isn't. Haven't read the book, however.

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