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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Surrey pride loses council support

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Serencwtch · 18/07/2025 20:35

Surrey pride loses support from Surrey county council as it does not represent all the LGB community.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/c07dre35eylo

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INeedAPensieve · 18/07/2025 20:36

Well their last leader is now in jail for being a giant paedophile so I'm not that surprised...

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/07/2025 21:01

In June the former founder of Surrey Pride, Stephen Ireland, was jailed for raping a 12-year-old boy.

Poorly worded. How can he be the former founder? He'll always be the founder. The fact that he turned out to be a predatory paedophile doesn't change that. The utter lack of insight in the quotes from the new organisers are not surprising but dispiriting.

SamiSnail · 18/07/2025 21:12

Fantastic news! Feminists winning....again.

Serencwtch · 18/07/2025 21:18

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/07/2025 21:01

In June the former founder of Surrey Pride, Stephen Ireland, was jailed for raping a 12-year-old boy.

Poorly worded. How can he be the former founder? He'll always be the founder. The fact that he turned out to be a predatory paedophile doesn't change that. The utter lack of insight in the quotes from the new organisers are not surprising but dispiriting.

It's hard to see who is left within the LGB community who feels 'represented' by Surrey pride.

A few die hard TRA's & Irelands cronies plus the young, naive & vulnerable

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zanahoria · 18/07/2025 21:24

"At a time where Pride organisations across the country are facing increased attacks, particularly amongst our trans community, this trend is troubling,"

Perhaps Pride organizations need to take on board criticism of gender ideology rather than bleat about being attacked.

ArabellaScott · 18/07/2025 21:54

'Charlie Watts, chief executive of Surrey Pride, described the decision as "confusing" and as part of a "troubling" trend.''

Charlie Watts, ex partner of Stephen Ireland?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/07/2025 21:58

Long overdue that Surrey Council did this. Have they started their investigation into how many warnings they received about Ireland that were apparently ignored?

zanahoria · 18/07/2025 22:16

"We do not believe it is the place of councils to tell queer organisations whether they are representative or not, and believe this sets a worrying precedent."

Why not?

Councils are representative. They do not have to recognize self appointed community leaders.

AnSolas · 18/07/2025 22:25

Not suprising tbh most LA staff involved would not want to champion them if the staff had a lot of prior contact with Ireland and other staff who remain.

There will be questions asked the issues which were reported and not acted on.

lcakethereforeIam · 18/07/2025 22:48

"SCC claim Pride in Surrey is not truly representing the whole LGBTQ+ community is something we reject completely, and one they have provided no evidence for," he said.

The LGB Alliance would be welcome then?

AnSolas · 18/07/2025 22:50

Mr Watts said the news of Mr Ireland's arrest had broken in June 2024, at which point he was removed from the organisation, and prior to Pride in Surrey 2024.
He said: "As far as we are aware, Surrey County Council has not publicly stated the Stephen Ireland court case [ 1 ] as a factor in their decision to remove "support" from Pride in Surrey.
"The news of Mr Ireland's arrest broke prior to Pride in Surrey 2024, [ 2 ] at which point he was no longer part of the organisation. Surrey County Council were happy to attend the event.
"Since last year's event, Pride in Surrey's structure has not significantly changed, [ 3 ] nor have SCC raised any concerns about our organisation before this decision. As such, we find the reasoning behind this decision confusing.

  1. and the David Sutton court case that was about grooming and druging and raping a 12 child etc.
  2. charges but details were not known at the time and the whole innocent until proven guilty.
  3. that may be part of the problem. Along with no word of care or horror etc about the "case"
TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 19/07/2025 06:14

"At a time where Pride organisations across the country are facing increased attacks, particularly amongst our trans community, this trend is troubling,"

Perhaps a good time to stop and reflect on those the 'trans' community are attacking, like the L's and G's who don't want to be forced to accept members of the opposite sex in their dating pools.

Like the authority said "it did not believe Pride In Surrey to be "truly representative" of the whole LGBTQ+ community, after it said "concerns" had been raised."

hawheresthebmareviewnow · 19/07/2025 10:22

About time too. Hiding in plain sight and enabled by the police with their pride cars. Shameful lack of scrutiny and silence

Notfinanciallyresponsibleforyou · 19/07/2025 11:39

Time for Pride to remember it was the LGBQ that gave them visibility. Like Stonewall they seem to have shifted massively towards the T+, certainly making lesbians feel threatened and fearful.

Pride has become much more political and public money should not be spent on organisations that’s have a strong political bias.

Given that the former founder of Surrey Pride is in jail for the rape of a child SCC and the Surrey Police need to distance themselves. Also, didn’t anyone think that Ireland, a middle aged man, parading a young teenage girl around in leather fetish gear in public was inappropriate? Total safeguarding fail. Very Jimmy Saville - hiding in the open as a friend of Surrey Police.

Not good for the Surrey Council leader Tim Oliver OBE. What did he know?

SerendipityJane · 19/07/2025 14:44

ArabellaScott · 18/07/2025 21:54

'Charlie Watts, chief executive of Surrey Pride, described the decision as "confusing" and as part of a "troubling" trend.''

Charlie Watts, ex partner of Stephen Ireland?

Or long time drummer for the Rolling Stones ? Currently spending eternity dead for tax reasons ?

BundleBoogie · 19/07/2025 15:00

Many of the Pride organisations are quite open about not supporting gay men or lesbians who are clear that their sexual orientation is based on the sex of a person so I can’t see why he would be ‘confused’?

GermaineBloodyGreer · 19/07/2025 16:14

"We do not believe it is the place of councils to tell queer organisations whether they are representative or not, and believe this sets a worrying precedent."

This is precisely case in point. Queer =/= Homosexuality. The term queer, unless it's being used a slur, does not denote a homosexual person. It describes someone who adheres to the ideological and political framework of queer theory. It's a political identity, not a sexual orientation. The entire premise of queer theory is quite nebulous and, ironically, homophobic in that their belief system recasts sexual orientation as sexual preference. It's the idea that subjective self-declaration trumps biological truth. A man can declare himself a lesbian, and the lesbian who dares reject him is deemed as a discriminator that needs to re-examine her biases and prejudices.

A self-declared queer person can be wholly heterosexual, and that's the point. LGB people are NOT being represented by 'queer organisations', because queer theory in itself undermines the idea of innate, exclusive same-sex attraction. TQ+ has completely cannibalised the LGB, and 'Queer' sensibilities are placed at the forefront. It's no longer about homosexual rights, it's about ideological capitulation to queer theory.

It's not only appropriate but necessary for councils to ask whether these organisations truly represent the people they claim to. Because what we're seeing is not a continuation of the gay rights movement, but its replacement. And the people being pushed out are the very ones who once stood at its heart.

Hoardasurass · 19/07/2025 17:54

Notfinanciallyresponsibleforyou · 19/07/2025 11:39

Time for Pride to remember it was the LGBQ that gave them visibility. Like Stonewall they seem to have shifted massively towards the T+, certainly making lesbians feel threatened and fearful.

Pride has become much more political and public money should not be spent on organisations that’s have a strong political bias.

Given that the former founder of Surrey Pride is in jail for the rape of a child SCC and the Surrey Police need to distance themselves. Also, didn’t anyone think that Ireland, a middle aged man, parading a young teenage girl around in leather fetish gear in public was inappropriate? Total safeguarding fail. Very Jimmy Saville - hiding in the open as a friend of Surrey Police.

Not good for the Surrey Council leader Tim Oliver OBE. What did he know?

Edited

Not LGBQ just LGB queer was what was yelled at gays usually right before they were physically assaulted.
The word queer has always been and will always be a slur. The fact that spicy straights us it now tells you all you need to know.

MarieDeGournay · 19/07/2025 22:18

SerendipityJane · 19/07/2025 14:44

Or long time drummer for the Rolling Stones ? Currently spending eternity dead for tax reasons ?

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 21:54
'Charlie Watts, chief executive of Surrey Pride, described the decision as "confusing" and as part of a "troubling" trend.''
Charlie Watts, ex partner of Stephen Ireland?

SerendipityJane · Today 14:44
Or long time drummer for the Rolling Stones ? Currently spending eternity dead for tax reasons ?

Every time I see 'Stephen Ireland' I think of the Man City and Republic of Ireland attacking midfielder Stephen Ireland.

Odd that both of them have famous namesakes...

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