Surely TWAW is the real 'genocide'

[MyAmpleSheep]

Online I read the argument that by suggesting 'trans women' are actually men and vice versa, one denies the existence of trans people, and therefore commits a genocide.

Seems to me the truth is the other way around: to treat 'trans women' in all circumstances as women (as we are instructed to) is to fail to recognize their trans-ness. To fail to recognize trans-ness is no different than denying the existence of any such thing; which is of course, genocide.

Surely the way to avoid a trans genocide is to highlight and celebrate the specialness and difference involved in being trans loudly and clearly. A very effective way to do this is to laud 'trans women' as a very special and different kind of woman: the kind that uses men's services and facilities, where these things are separated by sex.

Is there a flaw in this line of reasoning somewhere?

I also read that if you say you don't believe in fairies one dies unless you can get a bunch of people to clap really hard. Fairy genocide is real people.

They've picked on the word quite rightly. I don't give a fuck what they say on Reddit. It's deeply offensive to make the parallel. Your thread attempts to legitimise the use of the word in the context of trans issues and women merely trying to uphold their own rights.

It's gross.

Exactly.

It's a cake movement.

They want all the cake slices and are very greedy.

I came across this comment on transgenderUK.

"There need to be Nuremberg trials for every TERF and every civil servant who collaborated with or provided any assistance or aid to a TERF. No leniency for TERFs, and no leniency for TERF enablers."

The commenter that this is a reply to said thats not what they meant with their words but it has 12 upvotes and noone challenging it as a premise! One reply comment says "same punishment as well". This rhetoric is violent and abusive and I'd love to know how Bee, Aida or Chris feel about this.

It’s possible you may have misunderstood my post, or maybe it wasn’t worded very well, but I put the g word in quotes for a reason. Honestly, I intended no attempt to legitimize the use of the word at all. Quite the opposite, in fact. I’m sorry I used the word even in irony because it detracted from the quite serious point I wanted to make.

No your title was surely twaw is the real 'genocide'.

Your decision to use the word even in '' is unacceptable and still drawing parallels.

HTH

Yes I saw that one, was going to post it on MN but forgot!

Report death and violent threats that you see, I’ve found Reddit are quite good at deleting them, actually better than Twitter and Facebook. They sanction people as well.

A genocide is what’s happening in Gaza. 50,000 Palestinians, many women and children, have been killed. Starvation is widespread, homes obliterated, healthcare nonexistent.

And yet TRAs want to compare trans people to what’s happening right now in the Mid East. That is the most disgusting thing I’ve heard in a while.

And another thing. My son is legally blind due to a genetic disease. We were driving one day with the news on and this TRA was talking about how trans are the most marginalized group in human history. My son just looked at me and was like WTF mom, I’m blind, I get treated badly all the time, treated differently all the time, and I constantly have to advocate for myself to get equal treatment, I am marginalized. Here’s a kid who can’t change who he is because he was born with this mutation. He has to face life every single day knowing he can’t see much at all. He can’t take hormones and become a sighted person, he has to deal with his disability every single day of his life. Trans people need to stop playing victims because there are real people with disabilities who can’t just change themselves, they must learn to live their lives as they are. Trans people need to get some perspective about those who truly are marginalized in society.

I almost prefer for them to stay there so everyone can see the crazy.

In addition to other comments, re the end of your OP:

Surely the way to avoid a trans genocide is to highlight and celebrate the specialness and difference involved in being trans loudly and clearly. A very effective way to do this is to laud 'trans women' as a very special and different kind of woman: the kind that uses men's services and facilities, where these things are separated by sex.
Is there a flaw in this line of reasoning somewhere?

there’s obviously a huge flaw in that reasoning which is that ‘trans women’ aren’t a type of woman at all - as clarified by the recent Supreme Court ruling. Individuals should be celebrated on their own merits, e.g. males who feel they have a ‘feminine identity’ who don’t claim to be women, who don’t try to trash women’s rights, colonise our spaces and language etc.

Individuals should be celebrated on their own merits, e.g. males who feel they have a ‘feminine identity’ who don’t claim to be women, who don’t try to trash women’s rights, colonise our spaces and language etc.

isnt that exactly what I was suggesting?

Does 'genocide' now translate as 'won't do what I tell them to do'?

No, it isn’t. Maybe it’s what you meant but you said they’re a ‘very special and different kind of woman’. Which they are not.
And tbh on second thoughts I wouldn’t celebrate let alone ‘laud’ someone for merely having the basic decency and rationality to know what sex they are and behave accordingly.

It's possible that the consistent and fathoms-deep irony laced throughout my original post, which was purposefully written using the phraseology and language adopted by TRA to mimic the arguments I read online, went completely unnoticed by absolutely everyone who read the post. I accept full responsibility for that.

To be clearer, the following phrases are entirely not adopted by me in any kind of serious manner. I consider them to be so eye-rollingly ridiculous that I thought it would be obvious that nobody with a brain who uses them could mean them to be interpreted in a genuine way.

To whit:

the g-word (won't even say it now)
'deny the existence of' (and analogues)
'special and different'
'kind of woman'

I wrote it in the language of TRAs because I'm surprised that I don't hear this argument from the TRAs. If I did hear it, that is the language in which I would expect it to be couched.

I will try to word the same argument in different language:

I think that trans culture, whatever it is, has the same right to be celebrated by its adherents as any other culture associated with a protected characteristic. When I read that trans people aren't in any way different from non-trans people that appears to me to be the very invalidation or extinguishment of being trans that is decried. The way to pay respect to the culture of trans is to highlight - not diminsh - the differences between a woman and someone who calls themselves a trans woman, in circumstances where those differences are important, such as in single sex spaces.

To make it even shorter: I cannot see the consistency in "we claim to be different, but if you notice we're different you're a bigot."