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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transgender people in sport: FA requires trans men to say they are 'biologically female' to play football

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ANameChangePresents · 10/07/2025 09:21

Transgender people in sport: FA requires trans men to say they are 'biologically female' to play football:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvg89449lv7o

I find this quote in the article laughable. Especially in so much as it is dropped in without comment from the journalist.

One transgender footballer, who has played men's football at amateur level, condemned the language used by the FA in the new guidance.

"I am not a biological female, I am a man," the player, who asked not be named, told BBC Sport.

If you ever needed evidence to demonstrate that bloke's t-shirt is correct, I present 'exhibit A', m'honour. It's obviously a demonstration of implicit capture of the BBC too. I doubt they would put a nonsensical Flat Earther or Pro-Ana quote up there without qualification in the subsequent sentence

Definitionally, to be a trans man, you have to be biologically female. I'm sorry that their MH condition makes them find a non-pejorative word repellent, but that really is a 'them issue' and not something for society to mollify.

That said, the whole thing seems like an arse covering exercise by the FA. Why they have to register, I have no idea. Have the disclaimer/blanket statement that people participate at their own risk, including trans men, and the acceptable testosterone limits and be done with it. If these Adult Human Females (who identify otherwise) want to play on a riskier pitch, so be it.

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Transgender people in sport: FA requires trans men to say they are 'biologically female' to play football

The FA's updated requirements for transgender men who want to play in male sport require players to agree they are a "biological female".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cvg89449lv7o

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WandaSiri · 10/07/2025 13:46

The FA has begun to protect the female category and has chosen to make the male football category Open in effect - so anyone female has to sign a waiver. I don't agree with it either - mixed sex competition is ok when there is no physical contact - eg tennis - and equal numbers of men or women are on each side if it's a team sport. A WCM or a NB woman shouldn't be putting herself at risk in men's contact sports. IME, women massively underestimate male strength and overestimate their own. Plus weight, height etc. And as a pp said, some football players (both male and female) love a hard tackle and some men would feel very constrained about going for it against a female. Which in the great scheme of things is not the biggest issue, but it's still unfair on those men who want to enjoy a good physical game of football.

99bottlesofkombucha · 10/07/2025 14:14

WandaSiri · 10/07/2025 13:46

The FA has begun to protect the female category and has chosen to make the male football category Open in effect - so anyone female has to sign a waiver. I don't agree with it either - mixed sex competition is ok when there is no physical contact - eg tennis - and equal numbers of men or women are on each side if it's a team sport. A WCM or a NB woman shouldn't be putting herself at risk in men's contact sports. IME, women massively underestimate male strength and overestimate their own. Plus weight, height etc. And as a pp said, some football players (both male and female) love a hard tackle and some men would feel very constrained about going for it against a female. Which in the great scheme of things is not the biggest issue, but it's still unfair on those men who want to enjoy a good physical game of football.

Men as a group have been pretty good for standing up for themselves for… thousands of years, so let’s give them a turn to fight this battle. they’ve left it to the women for some time now, seems fair.

Manxexile · 10/07/2025 14:43

99bottlesofkombucha · 10/07/2025 09:57

That’s not totally true that people participate at their own risk. If I join a woman’s league I expect my own risk to be the risk of me playing against women, and it’s the leagues responsibility to not allow teams to field bigger stronger men against me. So they need a different clearance than blanket own risk.

I think you are right and I don't see how registering a TM's real sex as female could assist the FA in avoiding liability for personal injury or death.

Under the Unfair Contract Terms Act and the Consumer rights Act a person can't avoid liability for PI or death

ANameChangePresents · 10/07/2025 15:42

JellySaurus · 10/07/2025 11:24

I guess with 'gender affirming care', it's a controlled abuse of steroids - I e. It puts you inside typical male limits? I suppose that's a difference.

It's doping.

Men who want to get into the women's category without losing much of their male advantage dope down.

Women who want to get into the men's category - albeit without losing much of their female disadvantage - dope up.

I'm trying to steel man the opposing view, to be honest. What is the most charitable interpretation I can give this situation from the TIF perspective?

If I'm operating on my native sense of right and wrong, I completely agree with you. Once you've undergone that extent of body modification, you probably shouldn't be on any pitch with stakes of any level. If you want a kick about with your mates up the park? Go for your life. But an organised league/race/competition? You made your choices.

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2025 19:16

Sex is not gender.

What's the problem?

JellySaurus · 10/07/2025 23:24

What is the most charitable interpretation I can give this situation from the TIF perspective?

That she's been lied to by people whom she should be able to trust, that she's been gaslit by organisations using her for ulterior motives, and as a result she's having something taken from her that was never hers to begin with - but that she has been taught was hers. No wonder she feels bereft.

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