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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Supreme Court Gender Decision Achieved Nothing and Was a Waste of Money"

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Greyskybluesky · 07/07/2025 16:06

So, in my quest to read widely on the sex and gender topic for an all-round view (even the execrable Pink News at times), I took a look at the TRAs' latest pet publication, the Byline Times. Specifically this article:

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/07/07/supreme-court-transgender-decision/

Ignoring the fact that it says "transgender decision" (😂) in the address bar, the article has a less than tenuous grasp on the truth (and grammar).


Some of the real corkers (my bold):

And so our first exercise on this week’s Media Storm was trying to define an “adult female”. But we couldn’t pin down a biological criteria that comprehensively captures all cis women.

The Independent’s solution has been to equate “biologically-female” with “assigned-female-at-birth”, but that doesn’t hold up because transitioning people’s biology changes, and so people born male may become biologically female.

it seems counterintuitive to put the definition of womanhood to paper – we never felt the need to contemplate it before the media decided to lynch any MP who didn’t have a “simple answer”.

So, clarity? No. We have not been given that.

Despite a lack of evidence of attacks by trans people in public toilets (we set our intern the task of finding them and she identified only one case involving a trans teenager from six years ago)


...and on and on. You get the picture. Shit journalism at its shittest. The authors' conclusion: the SC decision achieved nothing and was a waste of money. And the cherry on the very shit cake is the final comment from renowned TRA Katy Montgomerie:

“Look how much money was just spent on this Supreme Court case and how much money is going to be spent in the fallout of it with follow-up court cases. All of that money could have been spent on the government funding women’s services better, which the government is cutting back on doing.”

Yes, Katy. On that, I agree. Whatever money went into this case and will be going into it could be far, far better spent on women's services.

Imagine if a certain subset of men hadn't insisted on grabbing women's stuff for themselves? Over and over again? For years? This judgment might never have been necessary.

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Helleofabore · 07/07/2025 17:18

SionnachRuadh · 07/07/2025 17:16

I don't think Milly and Molly are extracting the urine though. They're repeating every trope we've heard thousands of times, and they're thick enough to believe that this is original thinking.

Calling on Monty as the expert witness though... Ambassador, you are really spoiling us.

It is like a wonderful fantasy piece though.

The disconnected thinking is very prevalent throughout.

RoyalCorgi · 07/07/2025 17:23

Why are they so stupid? It continues to amaze me.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/07/2025 17:32

RoyalCorgi · 07/07/2025 17:23

Why are they so stupid? It continues to amaze me.

The thing is when you challenge them with eg how does the pelvis on the left magically become the one on the right they start either patronisingly saying they didn’t mean it literally (annoying but at least grounded in reality) or insisting it can happen and you just don’t understand the sciencey science of how it happens cos science

"Supreme Court Gender Decision Achieved Nothing and Was a Waste of Money"
Keeptoiletssafe · 07/07/2025 18:08

Oh dear.

You know what I am going to say about toilets. But if Byline Times or the intern want more info on why their conclusion is wrong, happy to assist.

They are right it’s difficult to find any data, and that no one can actually say what’s going on in loos. I have a lot more data than that though. The biggest problem is there are hardly any public loos left. Many rapes and sexual assaults in toilet cubicles/rooms are happening in bars, nightclubs, shops, stations, hospitals, schools, workplaces which may or may not be counted in these figures. We need robust data of where these toilets are and what design they are too.

The Stonewall survey (2018), so quoted for public toilet consultation in 2021, says 48% of trans people felt uncomfortable using public toilets. Whereas in 2024, 80% of Brits would only venture into a public toilet if it was completely unavoidable, according to research commissioned by Bloo cleaning survey. If I was to say Brits are 32% less comfortable using public toilets than trans people it shows how easily statistics can be used to manipulate an argument.

lechiffre55 · 07/07/2025 19:30

There are people who genuinely believe the Earth is flat. Any evidence that contradicts that belief is ignored, dimissed, deliberately misinterpreted, etc... Whatever it takes to maintain the belief is the course of action always chosen. You cannot prove the Earth is roughly spherical to these people, because they won't let you. The quality of evidence disproving flat Earth is irrelevant, because evidence only works on rational minds.
This fight is no different. Nothing gender critics say will convince the true trans believers. There will always be a "reason" why gender critics are wrong.

This isn't a reason or argument to stop being gender critical. Sex based rights are winning this culture war. I've never seen a genie once released from a bottle get pushed back into the bottle using force alone, but women standing up for their rights are doing it for the very first time through pure strength of will. What I do think is that arguing with trans true believers on the internet is pointless. Wasted resources. Gender critcal people should look where all the wins come from, and concentrate our efforts there.

Just one example of how much a person's beliefs can trap them. Sorry for linking to the BBC but they had the tidiest writeup. Note towards the end of the article "In March last year, Hughes managed an altitude of 1,870ft (570m) before deploying his parachutes and landing with a bump."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51602655

Mike Hughes in front of his rocket

'Mad' Mike Hughes dies after crash-landing homemade rocket

"Mad" Mike Hughes, 64, wanted to launch himself into space to prove that the Earth was flat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51602655

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 07/07/2025 20:09

but that doesn’t hold up because transitioning people’s biology changes, and so people born male may become biologically female.

They really are paid up members of the Tin Foil Hat brigade. 😂

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2025 21:02

Utter Clown World 🤡

Waitwhat23 · 07/07/2025 21:08

I feel a bit sorry for the Flat Earthers and the Tin Foil Hatters. They must be looking at this kind of stuff and saying 'eh, hang on, we don't go that far! Don't equate us with this kind of lack of critical thinking!'

PrettyDamnCosmic · 08/07/2025 09:09

The article dated 7th July states

A retaliatory campaign by cis women in support of the trans+ community has gathered over 37,000 signatures.

The link is to the petition on Change.org which itself was archived on 1st July where the number of signatures is 36,856. https://archive.ph/v9qbr

Today 8th July the number of signatures is 37,415. The petition has been there since May so women aren't exactly falling over themselves to sign it are they? That level of response looks pathetic.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/07/2025 09:31

“A retaliatory campaign” 😂 against what? Biological reality?

Chersfrozenface · 08/07/2025 09:54

Today 8th July the number of signatures is 37,415. The petition has been there since May so women aren't exactly falling over themselves to sign it are they? That level of response looks pathetic.

And how many of the signatories are actual women, not the ersatz variety?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/07/2025 09:55

There have been men on other petitions claiming to be “cis women”.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 08/07/2025 09:57

I accept that looking for logical consistency may be a bum steer but if the can't define the biological criteria that includes all c* women how do they know they're all c* women and how do transitioning people change their biology to become biologically female when they've already said that biology can't be defined?

outofdate · 08/07/2025 11:15

Insane

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 08/07/2025 15:37

Alltheprettyseahorses · 08/07/2025 09:57

I accept that looking for logical consistency may be a bum steer but if the can't define the biological criteria that includes all c* women how do they know they're all c* women and how do transitioning people change their biology to become biologically female when they've already said that biology can't be defined?

There is apparently no legal or biological definition of 'woman' no one can tell if someone is male or female but at the same time some men know for certain that they are actually women. I can't make it add up.

PriOn1 · 08/07/2025 15:56

Helleofabore · 07/07/2025 17:13

"Let’s make one thing clear. When we are in bathrooms, or changing rooms, or any rooms with trans women, we do not experience their presence in any remarkable way. We experience it as we experience each other’s – as women. This is not some social justice argument. It is just how we feel. We do not feel fear. We do not feel difference. To be honest we do not feel a fucking thing, we are simply taking a piss."

Yep, the usual trope just keeps on coming.

Really not true. There’s a man who wears inappropriate dresses and skirts that regularly frequents the smallish supermarket near where my parents live. If I met him in the toilet, I would retreat as fast as I could. His inappropriate clothing gives me the willies in the aisles, never mind in a small, enclosed space.

TheOtherRaven · 08/07/2025 16:02

Didn't result in a win for men?

Useless.

Apparently.

My God do we have a horrific misogyny issue in this country. This is decent and fairly decent men championing the rights of the boundary breaking abusive men. I'm starting to wonder if it's because they'd do it too if they dared.

TheOtherRaven · 08/07/2025 16:07

PriOn1 · 08/07/2025 15:56

Really not true. There’s a man who wears inappropriate dresses and skirts that regularly frequents the smallish supermarket near where my parents live. If I met him in the toilet, I would retreat as fast as I could. His inappropriate clothing gives me the willies in the aisles, never mind in a small, enclosed space.

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My local neighbour, in his sparkly flipflops, wig and mini skirt is usually high or drunk,and is someone you'd go out of your way to avoid since he's not stable and he's loudly and aggressively abusive at the drop of a hat. No WAY would I want to be in a hospital bed or in an enclosed toilet with him.

At least with other women in that state, they're not six foot two, outweighing most women by several stone, and shouting sexually violent obscenities making it clear that battering and assaulting women is something on their minds a lot of the time.

Just fuck this. Women who want to get their kit off with men, no one is stopping you. Go and soothe fevered brows with your body all you want, there's the gender neutral space, go and be lovely and progressive, and leave other women alone. These people frantically trying to pimp unwilling women to men need to work out with a therapist what the actual fuck they think they're doing.

Helleofabore · 08/07/2025 16:14

PriOn1 · 08/07/2025 15:56

Really not true. There’s a man who wears inappropriate dresses and skirts that regularly frequents the smallish supermarket near where my parents live. If I met him in the toilet, I would retreat as fast as I could. His inappropriate clothing gives me the willies in the aisles, never mind in a small, enclosed space.

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Yes.

And it doesn't matter if the writer hasn't a problem or not. It is the other users who do not consent that should be listened to.

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