Church of Scotland admits it should not have relied on stonewall and good [sic] law project advice.

[GargoylesofBeelzebub]

“We do not consider that it is appropriate for the church to rely on advice provided by Stonewall and the Good Law Project and we should not have referred to their views on this question.

www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/church-flouted-law-by-letting-trans-woman-use-girls-toilet-9xw7lvggb

archive.ph/AJsPr

This story perfectly encapsulates the last nightmarish decade of the overreach of the whole TRAgedy.

Thanks for the archive link, OP.

We must be on the same newspaper browsing schedule, I just put that into the GLP thread too.

I like this in the comment piece that is also in the Times Scotland section:

"To recap: the Supreme Court has helpfully reminded all parties that where single-sex spaces are necessary or justified they must be precisely that: single-sex. Moreover, the definition of sex, as understood in the Equality Act, depends on biological reality rather than a person’s sense of their identity or the legal fiction afforded by the acquisition of a gender recognition certificate."

And so the church joins a growing list of organisations who are all repeating the same message.

I genuinely don’t know if Stonewall can ever regain its reputation back as an organisation to trust after organisations have had to make statements such as this.

Thank you so much for this link.

I wonder if anyone or any group/body will ever successfully sue Stonewall (or the GLP??) for these lapses.

I know Allison Bailey is giving it a good go re Stonewall, but as an individual she is hampered (apparently) by the interpretation of the legal term ‘detriment’.

Thanks Gargoyles and well done Church of Scotland. Hopefully this will be passed on to every other denomination as well as the Church of England/Wales. Some churches saw inclusivity as an enthusiastic embrace of everything trans while their good old fashioned misogyny continued.

I don’t give a toss about Stonewall.

But this is unforgivable by the church.

When it’s an institution you grew up with , when it’s something you still hold in high regard, when it’s where you were christened, married , children christened in - it actually quite upsetting.

This is as wrong, it goes against everything that is decent and right and the Church has completely lost my respect.

They should never have prioritised these men. They never did have to - the law was always clear on that. They were letting men use the toilets with young girls ffs.

I lost faith in the Church of England when its leader (Welby) said he took no action against child abuse in the church because the scale of it was “overwhelming”.

i think their attitude here has been about desperately trying to stay relevant because it’s about power and money.

moral high ground long gone.

I think that's the clearest statement I've seen yet from an organisation that they shouldn't have listened to Stonewall or the GLP.

Wonder if there will be wider implications?

Also, Jolly isn't seeking to overturn the judgment, is he? Whatever he claims. He can't.

There was a story a few years ago about the women, often retirees, who arranged flowers for churches needing to have DBS checks in case they worked near children, yet at the same time the church is letting men into the toilets with young girls. This is seriously messed up.

This is interesting. They are trying to get ahead of the curve.

Why?

Strikes me they don't want to be the last caught up in a scandal...

The sinking ship analogy springs to mind.

Anyone surprised that the Churches of Scotland and England embraced the misogynistic trans dogma?

I don’t have firsthand experience of the Church of Scotland, but in Australia it is the women ministers and priests, particularly in the Uniting Church and Anglican Church who most enthusiastically follow trans dogma. I just can’t understand it.

But, but, but... we were recently told by our buzzy visitor that Stonewall actually don't represent trans people after all...

'I don't know why GCs are so obsessed with Stonewall ... GCs seem to have this weird idea that they're some kind of 'leader of the trans' or something, whilst trans people think they're a bit clueless and not that much to do with us.'

#backpedalling
#rewriting history
#reverseferret

These were not 'lapses' - they were done deliberately and with malice aforethought.

Yes. We have been told. So who does represent them? Translucent to the rescue? Oh well, we know what ‘Steph’ is like.