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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lionel Shriver sounding a bit like Julie Burchill in the Spectator (no insult intended to either woman!)

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IwantToRetire · 30/06/2025 20:26

‘Trans rights’ has never been a civil rights issue

From the start, this whole trans business has been sold as a civil rights issue. But there is no movement in the West to deny transgender people equal access to housing or employment, much less to ‘kill trans people’, as Strangio asserts. There are no water fountains or lunch counters from which trans people are banished.

This is a medical issue – specifically, a mental health issue – slyly packaged as a campaign against bigotry. We don’t let children get tattoos, because they’re too young to understand the concept of permanence and they could come to regret covering their limbs in dinosaurs. It’s therefore just sensible safeguarding for the state to keep kids from opting to take powerful drugs that prevent their bodies from maturing or from opting to get their genitals carved up just because some poor excuses for grown-ups planted this fanciful notion that one can play swapsies with biological sex.

This movement’s ‘trans rights’ decode as the rights to: compel other people to mouth lies that contradict what they see with their own eyes; impose the widespread adoption of dehumanising language such as ‘menstruators’ and ‘birthing people’; force the well-adjusted to finance costly elective plastic surgery through taxation and insurance premiums; walk around women’s changing rooms with one’s wang hanging out; turn women’s sports into a farce; and most importantly, it seems, coax children and mixed-up teenagers to make drastic, irreversible medical decisions which may well result in infection, reduced bone density, lifelong reliance on pharmaceuticals, poor ability to form relationships, sexual dysfunction, impotence and infertility. Perhaps also in searing regret – especially once this sick societal obsession finally subsides and its victims no longer constitute sacralised members of the avant-garde but the awkward residue of an old mistake.

Full article https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/trans-rights-has-never-been-a-civil-rights-issue/

Can be read in full at https://archive.is/VTuXh

(This comes under the naughty but nice - maybe? Blush)

‘Trans rights’ has never been a civil rights issue

Indisputably a nutjob, Chase Strangio is the soul of nominative determinism. The lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union is a ‘trans man’ – meaning a woman, of course; one of the trans movement’s lesser impositions is forcing consumers of pliant...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/trans-rights-has-never-been-a-civil-rights-issue/

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TempestTost · 30/06/2025 21:35

Not a bad article though nothing new for FWR.

Though I like Chase Strangio as "the soul of nominative determinism."

zanahoria · 30/06/2025 21:41

" At a glance, Strangio belongs to that benighted class of weirdos, wimps and wusses – the ultimate swipe-left. So much trouble and expense lavished on passing as a male sissy, when the lawyer might have made a respectable broad."

This sounds like classic Julie Birchill - unnecessary and rude but at the same time totally true and quite funny

RogueFemale · 30/06/2025 21:53

I can't remember why, but I remember not liking Lionel Shriver about something, ages ago. I've not always liked Julie Burchill either. But they are both true and insultingly funny on the trans issue, no question, and I relish their rudeness and humour. We need stroppy women and I'm on the side of stroppy [biological] women.

IwantToRetire · 01/07/2025 00:10

I did say naughty but nice, because it goes to the heart.

That everyone else is supposed to collude with someone else's self delusion.

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moto748e · 01/07/2025 00:48

RogueFemale · 30/06/2025 21:53

I can't remember why, but I remember not liking Lionel Shriver about something, ages ago. I've not always liked Julie Burchill either. But they are both true and insultingly funny on the trans issue, no question, and I relish their rudeness and humour. We need stroppy women and I'm on the side of stroppy [biological] women.

I have to say, when I read the thread title, the first thought that went through my head was, "Not like her to be funny!" 😀But reading the piece, she's not wrong.

WarriorN · 01/07/2025 06:45

I love Julie . I think I used to just not get her, or heard something on woman’s hour with her on where WH were framing her as the unreasonable one (I now know it’s likely she wasn’t.)

I pmed her a thread here once and she said she thought mn hated her; I told her nope, she had quite a following! an extremely witty and funny writer

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