KS says get on with it as trans guidance ignored.

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https://www.thetimes.com/article/e2439bdf-dcb6-4bfc-88cd-06f693402eb7?shareToken=408a4d85e9839cfe19832dc762097174

Hospitals and government departments refusing to implement the Supreme Court ruling on the definition of a woman must “get on with it”, Sir Keir Starmer has said, as public bodies continue to defy the law.

He said: “All guidance of whatever kind needs to be consistent with the ruling and we need to get to that position as soon as possible.”

Every organisation in Britain was told to revisit their equality policies after the country’s highest court ruled that transgender women were not legally women in reference to the Equality Act in April.

I think Starmer really really just wants this whole subject to go away!

The prime minister told reporters he “accepted the ruling; welcomed the ruling, and everything else flows from that as far as I’m concerned”.

Thought that was going to be Kathleen Stock. Well said the other KS, now what are you going to do about it?

He might want to have a word with ofcom

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/29/broadcasters-must-air-views-trans-women-are-women-ofcom/

With respect to the NHS, Starmer will have considerable leverage. By abolishing NHS England there will be a game of musical chairs with more bodies than chairs.

It's quite remarkable the TRAs are so entrenched that they're able to override that professional impulse for self-preservation. Is the expectation of consequence-free obdurance so universal?

“It's quite remarkable the TRAs are so entrenched that they're able to override that professional impulse for self-preservation.”

This could very well be true.

But also, I wonder if some organisations are now so over cautious because they had believed Stonewall and followed previous advice and they now are incredulous at how the fuck each successive government has allowed this mess to be created. And that some of these organisations are thinking, what a shit fight, we want to be very very sure the government doesn’t flip flop on this and leave us having to change again at anytime soon. For example, if Starmer gets spilled from his role and the new leader advises that the they will be supporting changes to the act.

Of course, that process is long and it would be unfair to ping pong policy in this way. It should never have been allowed to happen in the first place after all the law didn’t change. And stonewall and the likes were up front eventually that they acting ahead of the law (ie wrongly assuming that the law would be changed eventually to suit them).

So was this just a passing comment to the media, or is he as PM going to actually do something about it?

I think he really really does. The country is unhappy, riddled with problems and enshiiification is rife! He really doesn’t have the time for any pf this

The million dollar question.

It seems to me that he 100% wants it to all go away, and focus on more important things. [IMHO this is one of the most important things right now, but KS is right that defining what a woman is should be of zero importance because it is obvious].

He does not seem like he's interested in working hard himself to target people who are refusing to do what the SC and KS know need to be done. He does sound like were a court case to go the other way and he thought that throwing women under a bus would be the path of least resistance then he'd do that.

Starmer is terrified of Reform and even the Tories. There is no way he wants to go into a General Election with arguments about what is a woman still going on. So I think he will be putting pressure on ministers to get this sorted. Streeting I imagine is on the same page. Obviously parts of the Civil Service/NHS will be blocking this.

I think the cut off point is when the EHRC guidance fully drops. Once it does then I think there will be pressure from Starmer downwards to get reality accepted.

It is going to be a process, but with the media and Sex Matters watching there are less and less places to hide.

There is also the possibility that accepting biology may be useful in fighting off the Lib Dems and the Greens.

At the Welsh Labour Conference this weekend GC women and lesbians were handing out various leaflets, including Labour LGB and Lesbian Labour ones. Jane Hutt, Chief Whip and Justice Secretary came and complained about the T being left off the Labour LGB leaflet and told us that there's no LGB without the T and that TWAW.

In a meeting, when she was asked about the SC ruling, Julie James MS, General Counsel for the government, said that Wales wasn't implementing it because they need guidance from the EHRC — and repeated that despite being told there's there's nothing new to implement, just the original law passed in 2010.

A representative of the Society of Labour Lawyers revealed that he and his colleagues are terrified to speak out about anything related to LGB rights because of social media pressure.

At a meeting to launch the new Charter for Women, all the speakers (Nia Griffiths MP, Jane Hutt MS, Julie Morgan MS, Joyce Watson MS, and Jo Galazka, Unite) were women who include men as women — and at question time they ignored GC women with their hands up and took questions they preferred from women who didn't challenge them.

Jo Galazka, Regional Women and Equalities Officer for Unite — who is a straight woman — told lesbians that transpeople threw the first stone at Stonewall, transpeople founded Stonewall here in the UK, TWAW and that lesbians had nothing to fear from selfID and didn't know what they were talking about.

This has to end. It makes Wales look like some amateurish little banana republic. Wales, and women in Wales in particular, deserve better than this bunch of brainwashed fools.

That's shocking @Pluvia . Thank you for all the jaw dropping details.

what were those politicians thinking? your prime minister and leader of your party tells you to get on with it, the supreme court has been perfectly clear, the women you are supposed to represent tell you your actions are damaging them, but you decide to double down.... because....???

He also needs to address the topic and explain it. People have got very confused about what “discrimination” means and think that understanding what sex a trans person actually is and treating them as that sex, at least for the purposes of sex-based rights and categories, is “discrimination”. It’s not - but the Stonewall, mermaids and other dodgy training so many institutions have taken on board has misled them. They think if you require a TW not to use a women’s toilet, changing room, ward etc you are discriminating against them for being trans, and that the SC ruling is therefore “anti-trans”.

it needs to be spelled out really clearly that the law that protects trans people does so in the same way as for other protected groups - it protects them from losing their job or not getting housing etc because of their trans status.

“Discrimination” is not some eternal evil that must be avoided in all circumstances - there are situations where we can and should discriminate on the basis of sex, age, height, disability and so on and where that is appropriate and safety-based, it is legal. I really think a lot of people need to be woken up to this.

He needs to tell them more than just get on with it.

The government (the public) funds the NHS and funds costs that may result in court cases. If individuals in the NHS want to be TRA, they should do it in their own time with their own money.

Glad that Labour Women's Declaration were out there putting pressure on.

The massive sexism in Welsh Labour is potentially a HUGE problem for Labour. I think it is the key area where things are going to get dranatic in bear future.

Starmer needs to push for action there if he can.

The thing is the Welsh government hope they can get away with this because there is less media attention on Wales. However the issue is the 2026 Senedd election is incoming and Welsh Labour are already way behind in the polls because people are sick of them.

I think gender could be a huge problem for Welsh Labour. All it takes is Reform to zero in on that topic and it could be a massive weakness. The Welsh Tories already see it as a potential weak spot and question it in the Senedd a lot. The other issue is Plaid are just as crazy on gender as Welsh Labour. The Welsh public do not realise how bad things are. When they discover it there will be trouble. Right now Welsh Labour/Plaid are worse than the SNP on this,.

Anyway with the election campaign on it is bound to come up more than once. Over the next year people will actually care about Welsh politics and the media will focus in. If Welsh Labour refuse to admit women are real while Starmer is saying they are - the party will look divided and messy.

I'm sorry.

The fact that Scotland has managed to outdo Wales in the amateur-banana-republic game doesn't make it any less crap.

I think gender could be a huge problem for Welsh Labour. All it takes is Reform to zero in on that topic and it could be a massive weakness.

Public opinion is pretty clear.

The vast majority agree with the SC decision, are thoroughly sick of the issue.

I expect they want the govt to stop mimminy-pimminying and make clear, frank statements.

Men use men's services. Get over it.

People have got very confused about what “discrimination” means and think that understanding what sex a trans person actually is and treating them as that sex, at least for the purposes of sex-based rights and categories, is “discrimination”.

Well, it is. Sex discrimination is permitted by the SSEs in the EA.

The entire premise of the EA is to forbid discrimination of any kind.

The SSEs had to be brought in to say that in fact, you can sometimes discriminate, if it's proportionate and legitimate.

It is not guidance it is the Law, these public funded organisations have a duty to implement the Law.

I think this is a real problem in Wales. When I go to public sector/ third sector conferences in Wales the group think is palpable. People think the same, and assume everyone in the room, everyone they are in conversation with, thinks like them. The lack of challenge, debate and lack of diversity of thought is really striking. Its a really small world here. Careers can be ended really quickly.

Its a real problem in Wales and I am unsurprised Gender Ideology has taken such a hold here, and is embedded deeply. The public sector in Wales has spent a decade patting itself on the back about how they are pushing forward on the Right Side of History and they are nowhere near ready to stop. They are in a real denial stage.

The other issue is Plaid are just as crazy on gender as Welsh Labour. The Welsh public do not realise how bad things are. When they discover it there will be trouble. Right now Welsh Labour/Plaid are worse than the SNP on this

I think Plaid have benefitted from voters not realising they have the same view as Labour on gender ideology. I know someone who is very angry about gender ideology and refused for the first time ever to vote for Welsh labour because of this but voted Plaid instead. We don't have a strong Welsh Media and a lot of voters here are not as well informed on Welsh politics as the Scots are about Scottish politics.

Wtaf??

I mean, I keep thinking that noone sensible can continue with this and then....

It is absolutely a cult.

Sorry, yes it is but it is not "anti-trans" discrimination.

His comments need to be more widely reported and acted on.

My concern is that there seems to be an increasingly growing incentive for disgruntled backbenchers and others with niche agendas to bring forward private members bills to push their own personal programmes.

Your post made me so angry - sending love and support to all women in Wales. Yet again, I am disgusted that so many women in positions of power seem happy to use that power to punch down on other women. And yes, Starmer need to take a lead. His leadership on this, as on so many other issues, appears increasingly weak.