Sex Matters on tik tok

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https://x.com/HJoyceGender/status/1938515506191053179?t=4j03S_0aCZVIk6tvj5MKHQ&s=19

I don’t know about this. I can’t quite put it in words.

I’m wondering who the target audience is.

Trying to reach a younger audience who get all their information from social media

I'm not sure the target audience will/can engage with this. I think the gap is too wide too bridge between This presenter, this organisation and the yoof of Tik Tok.

I mean, I thought it was ok, but I'm a GC middle-aged female.

It was funny and I enjoyed the sorting hat riff a lot. Hee hee.

I like it!

I don't 'do' TikTok or any SM, never have, never will [unless.... is MN SM??😧]
but I thought this was really good, it takes the most common misconceptions/ slurs/fabrications and tackles them head on, in quite a light-hearted non-preachy style.

Direct, succinct, funny, and I want that jacket😄

It isn't going to change the world, but it might change a few minds, and let a hundred flowers blossom and all that ...

It should have subtitles though: if you're deaf or HOH it's very frustrating to have one bit in writing, and the rest - the good bit, IMO🙂- not.

Maith an bhean, a Helen Joyce - good woman yourself, Helen Joyce!

Made me laugh. And good start to try and battle the misinformation.

I'm not sure i care what the target audience is. A few years ago, or even just last year, they'd have been banned, arrested etc.

It's just great it exists. And maybe a bit of a shame for the preexisting tiktokers who've been trying to avoid censorship without being cancelled and won't be this well received. .

kinda funny for the in-group but I don't think this is going to convince anyone who is undecided. there are too many 'in jokes' and things that will only appeal to the mumsnet crowd. It will just make trans people even more convinced that we hate them. And in that sense, it is unhelpful.

if you want to use social media to convert people, you need to start with a communicator who is roughly from the 'ingroup' and you need to start by acknowledging that this is a complicated and difficult issue. and then slowly chip away at the false beliefs and bizarre ideas. laughing at them may entertain us but I don't think it will change minds.

Yep, @parietal has articulated my thoughts. And I hate to knock Joyce because I think this is brave, but misguided.

I like it

but I do pretty much want to be HJ when I grow up so my opinion may not be completely impartial

they’re trying something out. Good for them

I kinda do think laughing at some of the stupidity does help. If people are ridiculous laughing at them seems to me to be a logical response

I love her but agree this doesn’t work that well. It feels like dumbing down to kids and you know what kids reaction to that will be… less listening. Helen rules when she’s making serious, sensible, well thought out arguments. Instead of many questions, i would prefer one question answered thoughtfully.

i hope I’m wrong and hope it works

I liked it, I don't know if it'll have any impact but we've got to take the fight to the captured minds, and try to reach them in every way possible.

I liked it, thought it was funny and I get the message loud and clear but I’m a middle aged mum who doesn’t use SM! Not sure my young people will get it.

Same content delivered by young people in a fun way would have more chance of reaching that audience.
And I also think the GC movement needs some catchy slogans circulating!
I’d love to see things like “If you want my X respect my sex” everywhere on SM around election times

I think it's good. Laughing and not taking the ideas seriously is powerful.
Dismissing seahorses in one sentence instead of hours of debate it doesn't deserve is a good strategy.

The fact this can now be said and laughed at is important. No one wants to be laughed at.

It doesn't have to convince people it just says: lots of people think these arguments are ridiculous.

And it does need to be on tictok.
Loads of young women only get their information from tictok. They never go near twitter or mumsnet!
They've probably never been exposed to a GC viewpoint.
If you want to reach young women go to tictok.

I don't know. DD is 17, and has been on a bit of a journey over the past few years from full on TWAW to thinking that they're mostly attention seeking. She's also on TikTok a lot, and while she'll likely think this is rather cringe, she'd probably watch it and it might send her looking at things a bit deeper.

I think it will appeal to younger people and teenagers like my 15yo. Gen Z don’t really use X or FB. Only Snapchat or TikTok.

I love it, but then I love pretty much everything about HJ. I love the way she's completely clear and says it as it is. In terms of reaching a new audience, I don't know. Surely there must be a younger generation coming up (thinking kids now in their tweens & early teens) for whom gender woo is something older people did, who are secretly or otherwise longing to have the nonsense debunked. Maybe it will be a starting point for some people who'll then be sufficiently intrigued to find longer interviews by Helen. Obviously it's not going to convince the captured, but nothing would. If it's a gateway to sanity for just a few people that's good enough for me. Worth trying for that alone.

I like it. And more about the questions than the answers. The questions are ridiculous. It's like operation let them speak - by proxy.

Love it

I agree

Yes but if you want to reach the 'tik tok generation' it has to be one of their generation doing the laughing. Otherwise it comes across as patronising and belittling. IMO.

Good. Even existing on TikTok is great.
Young Gen Z and Alpha(?) are quite (maybe, worryingly) based. The parade of xirs and furs, and the overlap with drama and narcissism in their fellow classmates hasn't escaped them at all. It's only activist teachers keeping the flame alive at our secondary school but that's a different problem.

I showed it to my 15yo and she found it funny.