Police Scotland say transgender suspects have the right to ask for a male officer to search one half of their body and a female officer to search the other half.

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They really can't tell their arse from their elbow any more.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14850339/Police-Scotland-transgender-suspects-male-female-officers-search.html

Just because you are not bothered, it doesn't mean another female officer isn't. She may not be as brave as you are re: joining networks.

I am concerned for you. You seem totally flippant about being paid to search males and not seeing how another women may feel coerced/the power dynamic at play. I don't see this as normal and I'm concerned about your blanket mistrust in MOP.

I absolutely have concern for coppers, firefighters and paramedics. I believe you're all underpaid for the personal risk to your safety while doing your jobs and I worry terribly for my family doing those jobs.

😂😂😂

Scotland has clearly gone completely mad

What about the right of female police staff not to have to search male suspects?

As a female ambulance clinician requested —forced— to do an ECG on a transwoman, who clearly was getting a kick out of me touching his ‘titties’ 🤮 I would hate for you to feel as vulnerable as I did.

i don’t think you need to be concerned about post-op generals. The vast majority of TW retain their cock and balls.

is it just transgender male prisoners you are unbothered about searching if are you happy to intimately search other men?

it should be an offence to mislead a police officer, who is about to conduct an intimate search, about your sex.

Here's a BBC report

Police searches to be based on biological sex - BBC News https://share.google/pFXWHIgri42Ak1cwK

Biological sex but they'll try to accommodate the gender confused. No promises though.

If I were a male copper I'd be wary of carrying out an intimate search of a biological woman. However she presented. Especially as she might be of the basket of beliefs including acab and possibly have mental health vulnerabilities, which seem to be relatively common in trans identifying women.

But would it bother you if the person you were searching became aroused, or enjoyed the spectacle of humiliation for them or you?

And even if you didn’t bother is it not feasible some officers or custody staff would ?

I've just want to say I'm very supportive of the police force. (And acknowledging that there are rotten apples amongst you! )
So please have a pat on the back from me..
I have many members of my family and friends who are officers..

I've just want to say I'm very supportive of the police force. (And acknowledging that there are rotten apples amongst you! )
So please have a pat on the back from me..
I have many members of my family and friends who are officers..

This is a comedy.

My first thought was half and half down the middle (head to toe). I think I've got it now 😂

Let me try and respond to the various things… I’m not a response officer so my experience of strip searching pre dates all the current issues. The women I worked with were all like me - pragmatic “get the job done” types so I’m approaching this issue from a practical view point of the fact we have a prisoner who needs a strip search and we haven’t got tons of time to debate it because it’s busy. If the prisoner doesn’t get searched they will need to be watched constantly and we don’t usually have a spare person to do that.
The trans prisoner I searched previously was a street prostitute and even back then they were asked by the custody sergeant who they wanted to search them ( so this approach is not new) . My team then had some guys on who were absolutely arseholes and I wasn’t confident that they would give the person the dignity that I would give them. So myself and my female colleague did the search it and it was fine. If the prisoner was generally co-operative that would be by stance

Nowadays it’s much more charged - senior management are very nervous about offending the trans community from what I can tell. However on a day to day basis it’s the immediate line management and team who set the approach to these tricky situations. if the prisoner kicks off or in any way causes me issues then we’re stopping. It’s definitely easier for me to say that because I have a lot of service. I appreciate a very young officer may not feel able to speak on these issues but they’re not there doing this on their own.

( as an aside an officer who receives a complaint can have their career stalled / stymied for 2 years or so while investigations are conducted so vexatious complaints can really fuck up a persons career)

Yeah I had similar thoughts. Given all that's gone on I always assume the most ludicrous situation possible given the trans context. My head went fairly quickly towards a checkerboard pattern over the surface of the whole body, with male officers searching one colour of squares and females officers searching the other colour.
Maybe one testacle for each sex to search?
The more ground given to try and accomodate, the more absurd everything gets. Given them an inch and they'll take your single sex spaces, sex based rights, privacy, and dignity.

Interesting to hear from police colleagues about this. Before the grownups took back control in the Prison Service, we had similar dilemmas. We had the insane situation where male prisoners were being searched by female officers, because they claimed they were women. My suggestion at the time was to introduce (hypothetical) Officers Smith, Jones, Padelowski and Patel, all of whom are identifying as ladies today as well...

When it comes to the police, though, my concern is less for female officers compelled to search male suspects, and more for female suspects who may be intimately searched by male officers who are identifying as female. THAT is not acceptable.

@Divebar2021 I appreciate it it’s a difficult and rapidly evolving situation very often and you and your colleagues are in a difficult situation. But TRAs will absolutely weaponise this and they will be submitting vexatious complaints. I don’t want any woman forced to conduct an intimate search of a male bodied person against their will

Yes I had a conversation with a senior officer about female officers who didn’t want to search and his viewpoint was it was a disciplined service which is short hand for “ do as you’re told” and we had a fairly frank exchange of views about that ( he’s a friend). In the Met we have enough officers to be able to rustle up other officers if need be but county forces may not have that luxury. I’ve never agreed with trans women officers searching women but I was under the impression that they could not now do that. ( numbers are probably quite few thankfully ).

Thank you for speaking up @Divebar2021 as you said previously, you have seniority/service and can perhaps speak up when more junior or less experienced colleagues cannot. I wonder if your senior officer colleague would expect a female officer to intimately search a non trans identifying male?