The definition of a woman - navigating change in the homelessness sector

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The article itself is quite short - see https://www.wired-gov.net/wg/news.nsf/articles/the+definition+of+a+woman+navigating+change+in+the+homelessness+sector+25062025111000?open

But I was more interested in their version of how services should be advertised. See image below.

Just wanted to say how p**d off I am that yet again same sex attracted people are just automatically bundled into the rainbow umbrella.

Why do they still not realiste (very relevant re homelessness) lesbians would prefer to only be with other lesbians, not some self declared MtF "lesbian" or whatever identity. It is such disrespect, or even discrimination not to allow that same sex attraction is NOT the same as an adopted identity.

Ditto for gay men.

Where’s this organisation based? If I was homelessness I would only want to be placed in a dorm or wherever with people of my biological sex. Very dangerous for anyone sharing a room with the opposite sex. But I guess homeless people don’t have that choice do they, sad.

It's horrific. Reliable statistics are impossible to get on the subject these day, but a high proportion of people who identify as 'lesbians' are AGP males. Perhaps even over 50%! Of course many 'lesbians' are going to say that they're just fine with TW in their spaces.

How hard can it be?!

As much as some people would like it to be otherwise, trans people retain a huge amount of support within the broader LGBTQ community (particularly amongst lesbians and cisgender bisexual women). If you know anything about queer people then this is completely unsurprising.

Also, HSTS / AGP is a laughably inept 30-40 year old theory that can be easily debunked if you know the first thing about how sex hormones work. Labelling a whole demographic as 'perverted' is not exactly an unknown tactic used by people who hold hateful opinions of 'out' groups, if you know your history.

Plenty of lesbians i know support transmen, not so much transwomen trying to force themselves into female spaces.

Support for trans people doesn't always mean twaw cos they aren't.

"(particularly amongst lesbians and cisgender bisexual women)."

You notably left off the scare quotes for 'lesbians' and bisexual 'women', but otherwise the first paragraph of the comment doesn't contradict mine.

As for the second half of your comment, the trans community turning against Blanchard and the demonization of Baily is one of the great catastrophes of the movement. There's no doubt that with a continuation of stringent gatekeeping what were then called transexuals could have continued to fly under the radar, and TWs would would have been able to improperly use women's services and spaces indefinitely. But as we all know it's impossible for the movement to be reasonable no matter how much it's in their own best interest, and escalating demands for affirmation, inclusion and validation never ended.

Lesbians and women have distinct rights and shouldn't be subjected to scolding or abuse for standing up for them.
You can support another, different demographic who are developing their own movement while not giving in to demands that remove your rights.

Also, HSTS / AGP is a laughably inept 30-40 year old theory that can be easily debunked if you know the first thing about how sex hormones work.

I agree.

But its nothing to do with how hormones work. Its about how men, regardless of the sexuality, are turned on by pretending to be women and forcing everyone else to pretend that they are too.

There is no difference between Eddie Izzard and Munroe Bergdorf, except Izzard is straight and older and Bergdorf is gay.

I can see how its very complicated for lesbians and trans men, non binary and detransitioner women to negotiate their needs, but shouldnt be assumed men are included.

Not to get to far afield, but Blanchard is frequently understood superficially. A major early finding of his research was that the majority of men seeking sex changes were heterosexual. That was a surprise because previously, being homosexuality was thought to be a requirement and many men who went to sex change clinics falsified their sexuality in order to obtain the treatment. That observation continues to be relevant today. Well over 50%, perhaps as high as 75%+ of adult men seeking to transition are primarily heterosexual.

Blanchard also theorized that it was the transposing of sexual desire onto one's self that made one truly transsexual, i.e. that was the commonality between the Izzards and the Bergdorfs of the world, which is really just a restatement of your observation. What's more being homosexual was in fact often a conflating factor, and if internal homophobia could be addressed, often the dysphoria caused by the desire to be the opposite sex would subside or be made manageable. So, if anything heterosexual AGPs were often the more stable transsexual identity with more satisfactory outcomes from their treatment.

Far from being 'debunked' Blanchard's observations have been, if anything, largely confirmed. For example the high correlation between porn addiction and developing 'gender dysphoria', especially when the addiction comes with with a preference for lesbian porn and is co-morbid with psychiatric conditions that result in compulsive or intrusive thoughts, or literalistic thinking, like autism. And the above noted ratio between heterosexuals and homosexuals seeking to transition.

The reason for the vehement repudiation of Blanchard and Baily in the trans community is purely ideological. That the desire to transition is the result of an out-of-control fetish and not some innate immutable identity (like homosexuality) is politically problematic, and many find it intolerable to conceive of themselves as not being in some way the thing they most want to be: female.

I am not sure if everyone has read the actual article.

This is from a news service for government and public sector departments.

It is reflecting how supposed housing professionals had a discussion about how to respond to the Supreme Court ruling.

So they sat down and came up with this.

Which at least recognises the need for women only projects.

But somehow cant see that lesbians are also women and so should also had the right to trans exclusive services.

I'm a lesbian with no problem whatsoever with men with trans identities unless and until they bully, harass and invade spaces in which there are lesbian women who want and need women only spaces.

If they behave themselves and show the same respect to women that they constantly demand from them, then we'll have no problem.

Anyone referring to gay males and females as ‘queer’ needs to read their history. That word is a slur. That some of the community wish to reclaim it does not give them the right to refer to all of us as ‘queer people’. We have been called that before - it wasn’t good for us. And when this whole edifice comes crashing down it won’t be good for us again.

An article that is still frustratingly unable to use sex as a category, even though that is what the article is supposed to be about.

Here here.

Lesbian and gay people who say this however are shouted down with openly nasty bigotry against age and diversity of view. And excluded from what is called 'LGBTWhateveritisthisweek' in the same way as women are who wish to be openly homosexual and refuse to even theoretically be available to provide desired sexual experiences to men who wish to identify as lesbians.

'LGBT' now means nothing more than compliant and submissive to gender ideology.

It isn't about how anyone person thinks.

This group is saying "this is how it should be"!

So all the lesbians who do NOT want a man claiming to be a lesbian anywhere in a homeless project for lesbians have that right to be enabled.

Not only should they know that as people presuming to provide services to homeless people, but also should be aware of the Supreme Court ruling.